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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,236 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    They haven't in fact. They passed legislation a couple of years ago saying they would become much more robust on asylum seekers and start deporting them but they don't appear to have deported anyone (and are still accepting refugees). There has already been a change of government since then.

    It seems to have been mostly hot air and populist stuff with them, a la our Brexit friends in the UK, not a serious immigration policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    So only Europeans should be allowed into Ireland if they are victims of war?

    Do you think that all Europeans are alike somehow? Or what is it exactly that makes Europeans ok, but other nationalities not ok?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,240 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Have looked at social media about these protests recently , some make my skin crawl but others made me laugh .

    There is a clip on Reddit about a guy with a delivery van telling the protestors who numbered about 5 blonde women with dry robes on and a couple of men with baseball caps, " can you not find a patch of grass to go drinking cans on ?". They called him all sorts and blocked his legal entry to the Industrial Estate, asking him what his business was !

    Now I am all for peaceful protest but this is not that .

    The comments beneath were hilarious .

    I won't repeat but suffice to say they did not think these people need worry about what was happening to THEIR tax money , lol .

    The same crowd were filming last night when the gardaí came in with two buses of asylum seekers AND OVERTURNED THEIR GAZEBO! Oh they were in tears, or so they said . Couldn't see their tear stained faces , as they had the camera on the police who appeared more civil than they had been to the man in the van . But they were wailing " What are you doing to us?"

    Said they had built up a rapport with the gardaí and didn't expect that .

    One wonders did they expect the gardaí to leave their gazebo blocking the roads and footpath ?

    These were not locals btw .

    Yes would be wary of some protesting alright .


    As to the rest of the political establishment I remain to be convinced that there is a majority of the population feeling so strongly about this except for those posting , that it will rock them into changing radically .

    Not yet anyway .

    Lobby your local rep if you want change .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,676 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Now will the government listen or just brand everyone as far right racists



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,013 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    I'd imagine the response will be on how to avoid polls like that being offered



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,977 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    There is a fundamental contradiction as the same poll says SF support is up.

    People complaining about refugees supporting a party that is even more open borders than the current lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,396 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Open borders, allow everyone in?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The gas thing if ya actually think about what’s happening with fresh mind it’s absolutely insane 😂what is going on the world that migration is happening at this rate globally, the world needs to cop on. If there was a crack team of countries or nations that join together or unite to take serious action on the countries at source



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    I usually listen to Sunshine radio on Sunday morning, but I'm curious how or if Brendan O'Connor and Newstalk discuss this poll. I might switch the dial.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,240 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    ' I'm not saying the far right are perfect. .. '

    Sorry you lost me there. 🙁



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We all know that's not going to happen. The vast majority of the 70 or 80k are not going home ever. Why would they? Way better benefits here.

    And the Govt already making plans to enable them to stay as per IT last week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,396 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Yes, it’s pretty accepted now they won’t be going home any time soon. It’s going to be a lot more than 80k though once extended family arrives



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 707 ✭✭✭creeper1


    This was the Danes experience of the Syrians. They would not return after it became safe to do so.

    It was also sold as a temporary solution at the outset but in practice it wasn't.

    As for the rest of the international protection applicants they won't go home ever since in many cases there was never even a war in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,712 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    As our neighbors they should definitely get first dibs. This is a war on western liberal democracy and cannot be lost. Also as people who share a similar culture they will integrate far easier into Irish society.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    They are our European neighbours. They are our first priority. We don't have enough housing for them but to turn them away is to not support a neighbour



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Until we elect a few far right TDs the main parties won't shift position.

    I don't agree with protests outside refugees centres. I don't agree with violence.

    It isn't racism to call for restrictions.

    However until the mainstream parties change position then a far right candidate might be the only option

    By Voting for them you are not saying you will support all their opinions.

    It's not my top priority this issue at the moment but I fear we are creating a tinder box for the future.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    You can bet a few Ind TDs will be calling for restrictions next few months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    I’m old enough to remember when you didn’t need to be far right to place importance on a well managed border system, I’d settle for old fashioned centre right but we don’t even have that voting option, I don’t consider myself superior to other races , nor do I believe in a very strong central government which imposes itself on the people ( which far right governments do) , I’m not far right and don’t need to be





  • That Sunday Business Post poll is on the money. Common sense has been lost amongst the voices of the far left and far right.

    3/4 saying we are taking in too many refugees.

    Middle income/professional Ireland is saying enough is enough with this madness. It's utterly stupid and self capitulation. If there was a plan, it would be fine. There is not. Just enrichment of party donors and the connected.

    We have a tiny population, the change will be felt much more than France or the UK. We seen the issues there in areas, we could have learned from it and put a sensible policy and plans in place.

    The damage is done. Fine Gael - never again. **** clown show across every portfolio. No wonder the rats are abandoning ship.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Fine Gael don't do plans. We'll be the best behaved in the EU no matter what the electorate think. The problem is the EU don't have a plan either and we ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to the numbers.

    FF and FG were enriching their donors long before this on direct provision despite "promising" to end it. Nothing new there. Don't get me started on the money made from FFG connections from putting prefabs in school for decades instead of building more capacity. Another scandal that never really got traction. Always follow the money.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,681 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Wonder what MacDonald and O Reilly will have to say about the Red C poll, a lot of their voters think we are taking in too many migrants.

    O Reilly would want to remember that next time she attends an Ireland for All march.

    Post edited by Galwayguy35 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,690 ✭✭✭jackboy


    All parties are aligned with the vision of long term large scale immigration so the poll is irrelevant and will be ignored. We will be told we have obligations, the EU are making us and if you question it you are far right. The politicians know they can bankrupt the country, not bother fixing the trolley and housing crises and the people will still vote for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,108 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Yeah you're right, they are not perfect they are dangerous scum; beating people up, screaming at people's homes to get them out, burning tents, burning hotels, burning cars, throwing fireworks into crowds, threatening to set hotels on fire

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet





  • There's nothing wrong with large scale immigration as long as the infrastructure and plans are in place to facilitate. Many countries develop infrastructure ahead of time based on data modelling. Singapore being an example of a country that does it well.

    The infrastructure is clearly not in place and will never be with the absolute lack of vision and stupidity that exists.

    We have always been reactive to infrastructure instead of proactive. Under the current Government we are not even reactive. It's pure rabbits caught in headlights stuff.

    FG/FF/GP - I'm out. Where the hell to go from here, I really don't know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,690 ✭✭✭jackboy


    There is zero chance of the required infrastructure ever being put in place.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,681 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I won't

    Always gave no 1 to the independant candidate and 2 to whoever I felt was doing most for the area and they would mostly have been the FG guy.

    I'll ask him when he comes calling are his views in line with the party and make my decision based on what he says.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,681 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Do you put the people in Clare in the far right category?

    They didn't burn anything or shout at anyone.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    In the polling data, 83% of those polled who support Sinn Fein agreed with the statement "Ireland is taking in too many refugees". The figure is 70% for FG supporters, 74% for FF, and 88% for independent candidate voters.

    Goes to show again that SF are a lighning rod for the "anti-government/anti-establishment" votes that in other countries go to Trump/Farage/Le Pen etc.

    Which is astounding when you consider what SF's position on immigration actually is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭Thou


    Is this not part of the problem, the FFG status quo clinging to power with a list of preference votes, people who vote for independent/others over establishment parties, including SF PBP etc. would do well to remember this come election time. Just vote your no.1 and leave it at that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    I’ll be voting independent myself, no idea after that , FF and FG have eliminated themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,681 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I'm not talking about how the rest of Galway will vote, just myself.

    Ciaran Cannon is the FG guy and he did a lot for the local area but he seems to be backing the Gov on this so thats why I'll be asking him when he calls to my door.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Talk about naive- refugees make no impact on housing. I live near mosney and wonder where the residents go when they leave there n get housed by the government?! Narnia?!!

    In totally unrelated news there is one house to rent in Balbriggan currently. E2750 for a 3 bed. What odds the government rent it n pay 90% of the rent.

    https://www.daft.ie/property-for-rent/balbriggan-dublin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,396 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    That’s the problem,we’re a small country but people believe we should be able to house the worlds poor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Dont think that poster lives in Ireland you'll be surprised to hear!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭green123


    Goldengirl,

    Yesterday you said that you remain to be convinced.

    Does this poll result of 75% saying we are taking in too many refugees help to convince you?

    The vast majority do not want mass immigration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    Sean Canney is by far the best TD in Galway East , the other two are a waste of skin , especially Rabbitte



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    So you basically have no view bar an expletive



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,236 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It would be nigh on impossible for Sinn Fein (of all people) to pivot to being an anti-immigration party. They describe themselves as left wing and a "social justice" party, concerned about the rights of ordinary people and the poor and the downtrodden. To position themselves as being anti-immigration and anti-refugee would be almost mind boggling (note how the anti-immigration parties in the UK like the current version of the Tories and the former UKIP have many toffs and millionaires on board).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,755 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Here's the thing the party TD will tell you want you want to hear or feign interest or concern at what you are saying just to get your vote. Then when elected the TD will just fall in line with what ever the party policy is. And then this cycle will be repeated every 5 years or so.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,755 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    But is asking for realistic immigration policy like having a passport or travel documentation when arriving in the country anti-immigration? My own opinion most people in the country are open to immigration but what they don't want is the free-for-all that it is now. Also this policy of busing bus loads of people into a community in the middle of the night is not a good look and is going to get people's ire up, whoever is behind that strategy needs to removed from their position. It just very underhanded way of this doing things, its like lets sneak a bus load of people into this community during the night and hopefully the next day they wont notice and if they do and if they complain about sure lets just call them far-right or racists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,236 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    From what I can gather, there has been a fair bit of tightening up of immigration procedures this year. Gardai being sent to different airports around Europe to act as a de facto immigration control for Ireland. Airlines now getting fined for allowing people to board flights to Ireland without being in possession of passports etc.

    I would actually completely agree on the consultation issue. Communities should be informed many weeks in advance that there are plans to open up a temporary asylum centre in their area (especially small rural communities). It's only common courtesy and it increases the chances of the process going smoothly if the community have already been fully informed about what is planned and are on board with the idea.



  • Registered Users Posts: 983 ✭✭✭_Puma_


    That was the PR pieces the government and their NGOs put out on the news bulletins this week. It's simply not true and even if it were it's not going address anything. Think about it, unless a member of an gardai physically sits beside every non Irish person in transit to this country and escorts them to immigration control what is going to stop bogus clamaints of Asylum. Remember we have very little direct routes to these places and they can't get on a plane already without identification.

    The "consultation" thing can't work.

    The first question is "who are these people". It's a question that can't be answered because the authorities don't know.

    They are supposed to figure it out in the initial "holding period". The whole system has crumbled so this usually is where things go into limbo. These are the people in these centres.

    The latest figure show the majority of claims of Asylum are rejected or in limbo. Rejected claims are supposed to be served deportation orders. A miniscule fraction of the deportation orders are served at present as again this system has crumbled.

    Most clamaints eventually go either off the grid or re enter the process.

    There is no mystery in all this it's all spelled out in the "Ending Direct Provision" policy whitepaper released in 2021. It was the floodgate policy that opened the country to migrant tourism. Before this the majority as Asylum claims were genuine cases albeit in a similarly poor system. The department even went as far as translating and broadcasting on social media this policy in countries we now have the majority of clamaints from, most of where there is no active conflict.

    Its why new centres are being acquired without consultation. It's why people are bussed in the middle of the night. It's why objectors are branded right wing or racist.

    Until a u-turn and a halt on new entrants to the system is imposed to sort out the mess things are going to get worse. The government know this but are doing the exact worst thing they could at the moment in expanding capacity.

    Post edited by _Puma_ on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,108 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,108 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Good to know you think the hatred of setting tents on fire, cars on fire, hotels on fire, threatening to burn down hotels, beating people up with wooden planks, throwing fireworks into crowds is all perfectly reasonable behaviour.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,240 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    It does yes. But not for just expressing an opinion.

    And yes the far right could do a lot worse than our present lot in many other ways as I have already listed.

    Anti Gay, anti equality, anti abortion and contraception. Let me list the ways

    Back to the dark ages.

    And just so we are clear what I think of your posts..

    You registered to post here yesterday and you have been extremely.. active... promoting far right opinions.

    You are entitled to your opinion but thankfully many people feel as I do about far right extreme politics.

    Maybe not here but we are not all so gullible in Ireland.

    (Maybe you think because there are people here discussing civilly and open to others opinions that you can creep in unnoticed? )

    You didn't answer me yesterday when you made that strange comnent about Pakistanis / Afghanis / Algerians coming here when in fact that would be other countries not Ireland!

    So maybe you will answer me now?

    Where are you posting from??

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Bottom line is suspend existing regugee agreements bar Ukrainians for a year. If people want to work illegally let them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,240 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    And another point... I made all those points in a post yesterday which you read because you replied to it, so don't come back to me twisting it as if I don't know how badly people are feeling the crunch. And that those issues need to be addressed.

    I don't need you to tell me anything about my country.


    And no need to put far right in quotation marks

    It is trying to infer that those attitudes are not extreme.

    They are, they are harmful, hateful and dangerous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,240 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Good post.

    Have been saying the same

    The answer is not farright though and people need to be more active telling their politicians how they feel.

    The poll yesterday shows so many are afraid to say that they want controls on immigration.

    They are afraid to be called racist. But at the end of the day there is a difference between those wanting reasonable controls, and those advocating blockading protests or burning tents.

    I am worried that people are seeing no choices here

    We have peacefully changed our politicians 'minds over other policies before.

    But make no mistake, Ireland is signed up to the 1951 Convention which governs the treatment of refugees.

    It is not the EU.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,108 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Yes. The far right are extreme in their hatred of people who don't fit into their view of Irishness.

    We have seen a lot of their extremeness hatred in communities across Ireland; setting fire to a hotel in Moville, settting fire to a hotel in Rooskey, saying they want Doctors who carry out abortions to be executed, threatening to burn down a hotel in Wicklow, threats to damage a hotel in Athy, throwing a fireworks at a hotel in Buncrana, burning a building in Buncrana, setting fire to Martin Kenny TDs car, beating Izzy Kamikaze with a plank, beating up a 70 year old in Corofin, setting a fire at Kill Equestrian centre, throwing a fireworks towards Gardai in Dublin, harassing Leo Varadkar at his home, calling for the extermination of Jews, calling for asylum seekers to be burned out at Finglas, calling for Finglas Garda Station to be taken over, calling for Irish citizens born to be deported, harassing librarians in Cork, Dublin and Meath, Ripping up books in Cork, calling for President Michael D Higgins Head to be stamped on, setting fire to tents in Sandwith Street

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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