Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Look I have given up talking to you about housing because you sing the same song everytime.

Housing is an issue and has been an issue since wayy before we were taking refugees in in any numbers.

I know areas of the country with no refugees and still no houses.

But sure you have to blame someone don't you

Blame the right people! Our government!

The State literally cannot stop accepting refugees from making new asylum claims. If a truck arrives in Rosslare tomorrow morning with 50 refugees in the back, what would you propose doing with them? It would be completely and utterly illegal to deport them back out of the country under international law (and deport them to where exactly?).

No offence but people need to wise up here to what is going on. Gov never said they were not going to place those people there and the same people blocking, were there 24/7.

Who does that? They are not community people in Santry filming and camping out and blocking people going about their business. These people were imported activists and yes from far right groups.

And yes I know this for a fact.

No it is not wrong for people to ask for more imigration control.

But we have to try to get our own politicians to deal with things and not elect people who will make a bad situation ten times worse.

You know it was the people in Inch I was asking you about but you decided to bring up what happened in corofin.

Oh and just to be clear I have no problem condemning any violence nobody should be assaulted no matter what side they are on on this issue.

When a kid with disabilities was beat up the other day your only comment was how did they know nationality of the perpetrators.

No compassion or disgust of a kid getting beat up.

In my opinion your post showed a lack of remorse and was disgusting.

Why do you want people to be outraged over this.

I am disgusted by both incidents and feel bad for the victims.

But I'm a right wing supporter for showing compassion for all victims.

Sweden is still a safe place. The number of rapes haven't gone through the roof, the way sex crimes were recorded was changed, therefore statistics changed. Same thing happened here when reporting changed .

Paris is still an awesome city to visit, bit expensive but still cool.

Those countries are not damaged.

Is the Dublin fire at an accommodation centre? Blanchardstown?

No.

I didn't mention right wing as you know .

I spoke about FAR RIGHT . ( in capitals with no quotation marks for you )

Stop trying to conflate the two .

Some people only care about crime when it isn't carried out by white Irish people...

Seems to be a wilful blindness about SF among Irish conservatives of various stripes

This little anecdote from Irish Catholic Boards, where I occasionally lurk to see what's going on in those circles, illustrates the point

Not really they already enjoy giving a slap to national party supporters and the likes, and the public seem quite happy with that.

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And yet you thanked a post when all it said was you wouldn't want asylum seekers moving in next door to your daughter.

That doesn't say anything about worries over the amount of people coming in, but says plenty about prejudices.

It's actually amazing that this is still going on, on boards. Years ago there were posters showing up on threads about migrants, throwing in little soundbites and slogans, things like

'you wouldn't want an asylum seeker moving in next to your daughter '

Little sentences, promoting prejudices, subtle references to foreigners being criminals etc. It was very obvs what they were doing & when called out, they would close their account, another one opening shortly after. I had thought that type of thing would have been stamped out, but I'm back some years later, and they are still doing it. There's a lot more people thanking these bot accounts now though, worryingly.

Ah but you can say that about most major cities in the world! Of course there are dodgy areas, I mean look at the north inner city of Dublin, it's dodgy AF.

But there are posters implying that cities are now **** holes because of immigration! All cities have and have had dodgy areas.

Yes there are issues and yes other cities have them too, perhaps you just haven't seen as much of other cities?

And I disagree that it is down to immigration, as such, it is down to social policy and leaving certain sections of society behind. If you leave people (of any nationality) with basically nothing and no hope of improving their lives, then discontent spreads, crime increases etc etc.

Just dumping large amounts of anyone in suburbs of big cities, with no forward planning is never a good idea (ballymun, neilstown etc anyone)

I lived in Paris for a few years — what do you mean by "dodgy"? Paris is one of the most visited cities on the planet and crime centering around tourist areas, mostly pickpocketing, is always going to be a problem. People just seem to see new demographics and presume those demographics created whatever problem it is they are talking about.

Refugees make no impact on housing - sure thing golden girl!

53% of those on HAP in Longford non-irish, keep em coming. We'll get to the bottom of the 'housing crisis' someday! In the meantime throw another few billion at it Leo n Michael!

https://gript.ie/53-of-hap-recipients-in-longford-are-non-irish-figures-show/

That's why I suggested earlier that small towns and villages are the perfect place for refugees.

Much easier for them to integrate (if they wish to) easier to get to know people and get involved.

There are small schools around the country staying open now because of the new influx of kids, whereas the numbers were dwindling previously. Putting a bit of life back into these towns and villages can only be good for them

Agree 100%. Very good post.

I was surprised to see the SBP poll - not the results, but the fact it happened at all

The last 3 polls, VM tonight show, The IT and now SBP - The average across the three is 83% against the current policy. That's pretty definitive and takes any margin of error, snapshot in time arguments completely out of the equation.

I remember during the pandemic, the ESRI were on radio/tv panels talking about the public's behavioural reactions and attitudes as the various stages of the crises unfolded - that's what the ESRI do and they're very good at it. Think of them as entomologists studying an ant colony (us)

Time and time again, during the many appearances on these panels, the ESRI said the people were way ahead of the Govt during the various phases - masks on/off, lock down/open up, etc etc. It turns out the people were correct. The hive mind is very powerful

MoS, Joe O'Brien, was on the radio with Gav Reilly yesterday and was asked about the SBP poll. All he had was, 'It was the way the questions were asked/worded in the poll' - seriously Joe, if that's the best you can do, feck off will ya. Talk about flailing about for an answer. What he could've said is, 'Yes Gavan, this doesn't look good at all, we have made a complete balls of it'

In other great news, McEntee is due back this week and as she is utterly out of her depth, expect nothing