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I think I agree with LF, Russia surrendering isn't really going to happen because they won't be beaten into submission on their own territory (Russia proper)

Being a totally despicable excuse for a nation, they'll simply step back over the border and say "what war"?

Russia itself is not under any threat, but their "operation" is. Any number of factors could impact that invasion, from partial (or substantial) military collapse, to economic issues, to domestic political pressure and issues.

Possibly but a hawkish leader with little or no capability to be other than a paper tiger.

If you're so convinced about Russia's great economy and ability to run a war machine, give us the figures.

Remember they live in a global trading & financial world and will continue to be subject to heavy sanctions.

Moscow's disastrous decision to engage in a full scale invasion last year has made them a pariah state.

Prigozhin has called the leadership out on it, accusing them of starting a war and now not having the balls to back it up.

Russia is a busted flush and it's neighbours know it, China and India etc will squeeze them for all they can. They are a dangerous busted flush as backed into an alley but with a fully alert hit squad ready to take action if they lash out.

nah. its just kremlin bots and local useful idiots trying their best to derail and whatabouting. happens periodically every time ruSSkies are humiliated.

It's not a lie. As I never made out that I did. What I said was i made my position clear on the war in previous posts. I was merely refuting your assertion that I was trying to deflect from Russian actions in Ukraine by mentioning Israel . As I stated previously if I was trying to deflect I would not condemn Russian actions in Ukraine. The impasse as you know well is your contention that by seeking to condemn all war crimes I am somehow trying to distract or absolve Russia of blame. I most certainly am not. Your insistence that I am is childish and tedious. I won't admit to something I have not done. Since you won't or unwilling to admit you got this wrong. There is no point in discussing this further. I will say some of your peace plan has merit but all of it is very unlikely to be unachievable in the real world. No doubt you likely construe this position as being pro Russian as well . So there is little point in continuing this back and forth. 👋

I find it very unlikely that Putin would be ousted. My point is that the Ru war effort could run into significant issues independent of that. Low morale among troops, poor equipment, in-fighting, few battlefield successes, trying to hold a 1,000 km frontline - they've already resorted to draining prisons and using cheap drone attacks on largely non-military targets. It's a very expensive war for them, for a country with a GDP equivalent to that of Italy, which has burned a lot of economic bridges. Any number of these cracks could start to turn into serious fractures which could impact the whole war effort, which seems, at the moment, to be producing nothing but humiliation and Russian coffins.

It is a lie, you mentioned nothing in your post reposted about Russia. It was Israel and nothing else, you deflected and now are telling lies to distract from that.

Yes, there it is and where, as I have stated numerous times by now , have I tried to absolve Russia of blame. I have not. Deflection would be if I had refused to condemn Russia in that post. I have clearly stated in the post that Russia should be held to account. It is pointless to continue this since you won't admit to what is in front of you. I give up.

I completely agree with the sentiment, and people like Daly and Wallace should be openly challenged when possible, but it does come across at times as a planned "rage bait" by the media. There were two people on the panel and obviously finding someone supporting the Daly point of view on the Ukranian war is going to be harder, at least represent that, a broader panel that offers more than a binary debate would be healthier.

You just have to look at Nolan on BBC NI, he often has wee Jamie on and just provokes people. There's rarely a range of opinions for debate, this is purely by design and just like Hannon's show which would benefit from a broader range of discussion.

and how is debating with war crime, fascism, nazism, rashism suporters going? Fruitful? Has it ever been? You are mixing up actual free speech with crime advertising and just plain idiocy.

Grumpy, for Ukraine, its a matter of survival, pure and simple. And Ukrainians are not going to just lay down and die. They will fight to the last man, and while doing it they will continue to be supported. Whatever about propaganda, politics and administrations, the military's in each Country know very well what is the real picture, and they are not easily fooled. Putin is on a loser, one way or another, and he's feeling the pinch now, a pinch that will only get worse and worse, with the worst possible outcome for him.

A completely different scenario. Russia has time and time again reneged on agreements and accords, invaded and interefered with their neighbours. The Ukranians have suffered under Russian aggression and oppression for centuries, there is no trust. Russia has completely disregarded their agreements with both Belarus and Ukraine in the Budapest Memorandum, that'd be similar to the UK ignoring the Good Friday Agreement and rolling the army and funding Loyalist groups again.

Why would anyone sit down with them after something like that?

Thankfully, this is not the case and despite all their flaws the UK does hold itself to a diplomatic standard unlike the Russian regime who will invade and terrorise their neighbours if they see fit, they are untrustworthy and as far as the Ukranians are concerned, not to be trusted. I very much doubt the supposed "April 2022" deal would have created anything of any great substance or value. Momentary peace? Yeah, sure, until the Russians were ready for another attempt.