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Phillip Schofield steps down from ITV after affair with "much younger male"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,952 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    There’s no evidence he mentored this person age 12- if there is Id like to see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,647 ✭✭✭prunudo


    But there's no evidence that PS was unprofessional. We don't know to what extent he was involved in the young lad getting hired and from what we've seen it was the young lad who followed and engaged with PS on social media initially.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,952 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    He got him an interview with ITV- he got the job; he started working with PS



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,338 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Phillip Schofield followed Mathews twitter only 5 days after he’d turned 15, Matthew had not asked him to follow him or anything, this does not look good. Less than two months later, Phil went up to the 2Faced Theatre company to do a Q&A session there.

    Matthew Mcgreevy joined the 2Faced Theatre company when he was 10 years old, Phillip Schofield was a Patron of the 2Faced Theatre Company.

    From LimeGoss

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    He was born in 1996



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,647 ✭✭✭prunudo


    He probably put in a good word, I suppose the question is, was he pulling in favours for a friend or had affair already started at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,338 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Or he put in good word with an eye to starting an affair and then denied said affair to ITV when it became reality.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,552 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    ITV did not respond to the BBC when asked about a report in the Sunday People that some daytime staff were planning to go to HR next week to threaten a mass walkout over a series of "ignored complaints".

    It's looking very, very dodgy and everyone is scrambling to distance themselves from it.

    IF the above is true, and IF there is evidence Matthew was underage when the affair started, ITV will have a lot of explaining to do. No doubt heads will roll.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,952 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    That’s still not evidence “he hired and mentored him since aged 12” as you have said



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,324 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    So like...errr David Walliams...allegedly...

    No idea how he still has a career at all with the litany of things he has done, lot more to come out as well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,625 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    ITV must have not investigated very well if everyone knew, had sussed it, just took Phil and the young fella's word, if nothing was wrong then why the lies, it sounds like Phil got him work on This Morning then got him fired and removed to another ITV show when it turned sour, no one is coming out of this looking good even Holly, Dan, Ruth and Eamonn etc., as the gushed when "brave" Phil came out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,338 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06



    Well feel free to suggest alternative word ... patron?

    He was part of theatre group Scofield was a patron of from that age and...

    The Mail on Sunday first reported the pair had met when the presenter was giving a talk at a theatre school which the 15-year-old attended. Schofield later arranged an interview for him at ITV before he started there, and "some time afterwards" the affair began, the paper said.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,952 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    15 is not 12- and he didn’t arrange an interview until this person was 17/18- so you agree PS didn’t “employ or mentor” him from “the age of 12” as you stated above.

    Pity you couldn’t get yourself to admit that rather than try and side step your previous claim- the thread and other online media has enough unfounded posts without adding more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,338 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You are the one adding to it here... there was an 'and' in my original post you seem to have missed so I will break it out further here:

    Schofield was instrumental in getting him hired. I did not say he was hired aged 12. It is documented in the limegoss link that was at 17/18.

    And - Schofield was a patron from at least age 12, with established contact in that role from 15.

    https://limegoss.com/phillip-schofield-timeline-events/

    I do not rule out that other information may come to light on connections between Schofield and Matthew before he was 18.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,952 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Eh you posted:

    “It is someone he had a role in hiring and mentoring professionally all the way back to when they were 12.”

    He didn’t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,338 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Asked and answered twice - I already explained the use of 'and' in the sentence and clarification of patron for mentor. But I will go back and edit the post as if you read it that way so might others.

    It is someone he had a role in hiring? Yes?

    And someone he had a professional connection as patron to from when he was 12? Yes?

    That doesn't mean he was hired at 12.

    The main point being that Schofield played a key role in getting someone hired. Someone Schofield then went onto have an affair with and deny it.

    Someone Schofield had contact with when that person was underage - and appears to have initiated that contact in at least one instance. That Schofield as patron of this organisation put himself in a position where he could make such contacts with underage wannabees. That could be seen as developing a connection with a view to a future sexual relationship.

    Post edited by odyssey06 on

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,952 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Oh dear- the young man in question appears now to deny ITV ever questioned him about his relationship with PS- ITV are done for now as they only yesterday claimed they fully investigated the alleged relationship




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,377 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    ITV are denying it, but I think its inevitable now that 'This Morning' will go the way of The Jeremy Kyle show and be axed altogether.

    It is a toxic brand with no effective production and editorial leadership. It is best by lies and deceit, as well as unprofessional behaviour.

    They could easily repackage the basic magazine content in some more modern form at a future date, probably in the Autumn. But honestly I don't expect it to air past this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Again, you're just making that up. It's ok to say you have no actual proof, you just dislike someone so you're basing your assumptions off that. But in the real world, only the creep is at fault here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,625 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I think Phil used his power with ITV to get the young fella a job as he wanted to crack on to him, Phil must have been seen as Mr. Untouchable Gold by ITV that he could get colleagues fired too



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    If this is about the same person referred to several times then he seems to be early to mid 20s now

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,625 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,338 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The timeline is detailed here clarifying what is known to have happened at what age

    https://limegoss.com/phillip-schofield-timeline-events/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,465 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I will find the clip when he came out, where Holly says, '' I knew already, he told me ''



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    You were suggesting that she knew who he was with. You don't know that and have no proof. She said she didn't know and he lied to her. I think I'll believe her if you don't mind.



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭SlowChris


    There are obviously massive questions hanging over Philip now.

    We already have Eamonn Holmes blasting him and others in ITV.

    “ITV knew what sort of man he was... and never once took action to prevent him controlling or taking advantage of his position over young people.”

    That's a pretty damning statement to make. If this was a simple "Philip had a relationship with a young employee and lied about it" then I don't think Eamonn would go this route with such venom.

    The obvious questions from how I see it are:

    • Why did Philip come out as gay in 2020? Was he found to be in a relationship with the young buck by some at ITV and felt he needed to come out before he was potentially outed? The rumours of him banging a young stage boy or runner or whatever you call them came out immediately. Somebody knew!!
    • How soon after the young buck joined ITV did the relationship start? We know Philip helped him get a job in tv after he was asked.
    • What age was the boy when he asked for help in getting into TV?

    Whatever about the age difference, which I think is disgusting, they need to do a serious check into whether Schofield used his position of power to groom the boy. Imagine a 58 year old male manager of a ladies u-16 football team and then when the girl turns 18 they start a relationship. It's not a good look at all.

    I'm also curious about why all this controversy kicked off in the last few weeks. Why did it come back into media attention?

    It seemed to coincide with Philips paedo brother getting sent down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,465 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Confirming Holly knew for a very long time. Also somewhere in this clip is Holly saying '' it's important to stress no one is forcing you to to this'' weird statement, also Phil saying '' there is no one else ''

    It's all lies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,465 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    So Holly knew he was gay, and when she said '' no one is forcing you out'' she was speaking of '' that guy''



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    Matthew was good friends with Simon Schofield from a young age, that's obviously how Philip was introduced to him and 'apparently' only started their relationship when Matthew reached 18 years old. However that sounds fishy... apparently Philip was caught snapchatting mostly 18-20 year olds at 1-2am back a few years ago too, so there's that..

    There are photos of them all out together partying/ at bars etc (Philip,Simon and Matthew) as well as tweets back in 2015. Someone posted the link to the timeline of events previous in this thread.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    I do hope Holly doesn't get dragged down by this, Holmes has more weight and he's already pointing at the problems.

    I dont think she ever had much influence on the show or outside it.

    I dont watch the show, never saw it since PS started.

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    That clip backs up what Holly was saying. She was lied to. Back to the drawing board with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,952 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    My god he’s incredibly deluded -if he thinks there’s “just a few” people

    “Phillip Schofield has slammed 'a handful of people' with 'persistently loud voices' in a statement days after leaving This Morning - and refuted claims of a 'toxic' culture.”

    “I hope you have noticed that it's the same handful of people with a grudge against me or the show who seem to have the loudest voice.”

    What does he think such statements will do for him? The public now hate him- his career is in the dumpster fast making its way to the dump- even Channel 5 won’t touch him. No company who value profit and their reputation will ever sponsor a show with him as presenter.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    I see 'this morning' main sponsor will not be renewing it's sponsorship when and if it returns in the autumn after its summer break.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,952 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I’ve seen a show reel on YouTube produced by the person in question, in 2020. It’s short clips of interviews with PS and others and behind the scenes look at This Morning studios. He would have been about 24 at that stage - he actually appears like a lovely chap- in fact it’s he that should be put forward to present This Morning- a radical view I know but it would sort a lot of issues. I do hope he’s coping well as he’s done nothing wrong except get caught up in this whole mess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,515 ✭✭✭valoren


    The reality is that money talks and if the money walks then the show will end and people will lose their jobs here. The most recent statement from Schofield about saying the show is a family is him being magnanimous. He is the hero trying to save the show but he is, at the same time, the victim from the people with the loudest voices having the audacity to criticize him and his behavior, behavior which is actually what is threatening the show with closure. The delusion from him admitting he lied multiple times but then expecting to be believed when he states that it wasn’t a toxic environment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,366 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I watched the opening clip from the show and Christ almighty it was hard to see the two presenters bullshit about how the show is a happy one to work on. I felt very sorry for them having to carry on after the **** show phillip Schofield has left that show in. He’s an admitted lier so anything he says is tainted.

    Post edited by Itssoeasy on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,952 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    At least 6 years of lying - the person in question was 18 in 2014 when pictured with Philip and Holly in This Morning studio so I’m being quite generous here assuming the relationship could have started aged 20 and a year after he started work on This Morning considering Philips statement said

    “That relationship was unwise, but not illegal.”





  • Not sure why this is any kind of news anyway. A closeted gay man had secret affairs when married to a woman.

    strange to me lying to his wife and family about being gay was a non issue by comparison to having affairs?

    they’re both as bad as each other surely?





  • Calling him a pedophile or similar is just sad also. So what your man was younger than him. They were both adults, grow up honestly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,621 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I honestly can not see how this has caused so much outrage. Seems a strange mix of cancel culture and intense pearl clutching.

    Was there this much outrage when Ant could have killed a young family píssed off his head?

    If it was Holly they would be all congratulating the young man.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,997 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I think the issue is not that black and white.

    PS has built his whole career on being a family man, good clean living , purer that pure.

    Everything he hosts is geared towards family audiences.

    Pretty much every gay person has figured out that they are gay by the time they hit their 20's .....so him suddenly turning around in his 50's saying he's gay is a bit of a stretch. Now on that point....that really is between him and his wife and family and no one else's business. .....however the general consensus is he only came out as some one had something on him.....so how many years has this purer than pure image been a total sham....he's an adulterer, so the whole wholesome family man is an act.

    That said, if he started stepping out with the likes of , I don't know Stephen fry (if he wasn't married) or someone else of the same generation no one would bat an eyelid. Again however, he is linked to an extremely younger guy, one of whom he was in a position of power. So again the purer than pure image is getting extremely tarnished.

    Not only that, the majority of us have a clause in our contract that states " do not bring company name into disrepute" I think we can all agree that he has most certainly done that! So you can see why his employers are less than happy and why everyone who worked with him is running to the hills as they don't want to be guilty by association.

    So it's not really as simple as "man had an affair"

    I do think if it was the likes of Russell Brand this wouldn't really be a story as Russells whole persona is completely out there, so you kinda expect it.

    However PS has cultivated a whole sham of a persona and could be fairly sanctimonious, so I do think alot of people are relishing his quite spectacular fall from grace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,344 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    I find it extremely unlikely that Holly was not aware of this relationship. Doesn't seem possible. Particularly if the story about the young man declaring his live for Phil in front of a large crowd at an awards ceremony is true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,952 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Don’t think it really matters now anyway- she’ll be gone as the show will be gone - it will be interesting what roles she gets in the future- if working for a commercial TV station it wouldn’t be at all certain she’d get anything right now - BBC might also avoid her- probably not fair but there’s too much blaaaa going on right now for want of a better word and advertisers like their family show hosts clean as a whistle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Going out with someone from the time they were 13 certainly didn't hurt Bill Wyman career wise or financially unless you count when they eventually divorced. I don't know anyone who is a rolling stones fan who suddenly stopped being a fan once the news broke.

    I don't have a TV so didn't know who PS was until the news about him coming out broke, and hadn't heard of him again before this story.

    Personally I'll wait and see what comes out of this, if I even bother to follow it. But at the moment feel the same as I do about one of the neighbours 17yr old sons moving in with a woman in her 30s, they are making a big mistake.





  • No I get that what I am saying is I do not understand why this is news because surely to Christ anyone could’ve put 2+2 together and figured a guy who was married to someone for years, being gay as they are, did not have any sexual encounters (or any encounters) with other men in that time?

    Just seems altogether a bit silly. “TV man pretended to be good man but he’s actually a bit of a bastard” it’s very overplayed I guess.

    But as @Boggles said and they are dead right, if it was holly who had sex with the young fella there would be a choir of niiiiiiiice rather than outrage.

    I suspect (and it’s just my suspicion) the outrage is largely because he is gay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,515 ✭✭✭valoren


    People are surprised that this is getting coverage? Consider all the flak they copped for the egregious crime of *gulp* jumping the queue after the Queen died. Of course this would create headlines not to mention speculation. The allegations now are also that it was a toxic working environment (akin to the Ellen DeGeneres show) as well. It is also a show which covers the daily news/papers but the show itself is in the news but they don’t mention that elephant in the room which is insulting. The show must go on attitude seems to be akin to that meme of the dog sitting at a table in a burning room saying “This is fine”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,952 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    It’s more soap-opera than outrage- these events are better than Eastenders or Coronation St because they’re real - besides people have been baying for blood since the Roman times.

    Albatross anyone?






  • exactly

    its like that South Park skit where the kindergarten teacher is having sex with the kid but it’s ok because it’s a woman and she’s attractive

    but a man (and especially a gay one) makes it wrong, oh very wrong indeed.

    ”Ya know what actually? I think he’s a pedo. Yeah, that’s what I think. He must be sure. He’s gay isn’t he? Sure all them gays are pedos.”

    That’s effectively what this outrage comes across to me as.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,997 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I honestly don't think it's to do with him being gay tbh.

    I think it's the lies and cover ups that are the issue.

    Take for example JFK he had numerous high profile affairs no issues. Then in contrast Clinton categorically denied having "sexual relations with that woman" out pops a semen stained dress....well actually....had he come clean at the beginning would his presidency have survived...who knows...it was "only" a BJ but he was a person in power over an intern and barefaced lied about it.

    The general public don't like being lied to.

    So again PS having and affair coming out as gay I don't think anyone would have cared, but for the fact that he was forced to come out...he was quite happy lying to the general public (it could be argued that it wasn't the publics business anyway) But that was strike one.

    Then you have the Queen fiasco skipping the queue.....oh look he thinks he's better than us....Strike 2!

    Then it transpires the person he was having the affair with was extremely young* ....Strike 3!

    *Now I'll be honest the age gap doesn't overly bother me, as if Tom Selleck (probably same age gap) came to me when I was in my 20's I'd be riding him like shergar , position of power or not.

    However the optics here really don't look great especially in today's post Harvey Weinstein climate.

    I also do think if holly had an affair and lied about it and was subsequently caught out she'd be cancelled too. It's the barefaced lying that gets up people's noses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,952 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    While I don’t agree with “all gays are pedos “ or any variation of that, and I also don’t agree with calling PS that term that some posters have done here on the thread, there’s a huge age difference between the two both now obviously but especially when the relationship was presumed to have commenced.

    The person in question knew PS at age 15- he was working for Phil aged 18 ir 18. We don’t know when the relationship started but indications are it’s around this time or just before -As Phil said, “it’s not illegal”- and he’s right- but I think people have a right to call. PS a creep- and while I’ve reported posts calling him that other word above, , I can also understand why some people might jump to that conclusion- if you’re going to have a relationship with someone just over or a couple of years over the age of consent while you’re in your 50s, don’t come crying when some members of the public think you’re a creep or worse.



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