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  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭maxflinn


    Does anyone here think Ukraine can drive Russia from the annexed territories including Crimea? Because this is the US/British/Ukrainian goal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭maxflinn




  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Oh look Another one



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭pcardin


    is this a 15 rubles, 100 rubles, or 800 rubles question?




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭macraignil


    I think it should be possible for Ukraine to regain its internationally agreed borders by driving out the moskovyte invaders occupying parts of their country.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭maxflinn


    Do you really believe this is possible without direct Western intervention?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Yes I think the Ukrainians will be determined enough to rid themselves of the moskovyte terrorists and criminals putin has sent to their country. They have already made progress in regaining some of the territory they lost when the moskovytes attacked last year. Seen a report claiming some moskovytes are already running away and if they have any sense it will be running straight back to the kremlin to remove the dictator putin from power.



  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭maxflinn


    Ukraine had a large NATO-trained and equipped army when this all kicked off, and despite it being replenished with weapons over and over it's still not able to resist the Russian invasion, so to me it isn't logical to presume the Russians are lacking in weaponry and are incompetent. I feel this is a narrative that's being created and disseminated by the US & Co.

    The war is largely one of artillery and given its on Russia's border then there is a vast supply of shells. The Ukrainians will soon run out.

    What do you think Putin will do if Western missiles able to target Russia are supplied to and used by Ukraine to do so?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭pcardin


    even the language they had to steal from others.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,508 ✭✭✭wassie


    "Ukraine had a large NATO-trained and equipped army when this all kicked off, and despite it being replenished with weapons over and over it's still not able to resist the Russian invasion 3 day special military operation"

    Fixed that for you



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭pcardin


    its not how you see it, it is whats written in your script.




  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭maxflinn


    What script? Those are my thoughts you quoted.

    Perhaps it is those who believe Ukraine will somehow drive the Russians out who've been convinced by a script?



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,008 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No, it did not.

    It had some units that had availed of some of NATO's expertise in a limited number of areas and it had almost entirely Soviet era crap armaments and equipment.

    But not to mind, that is now very much Russia's own problem.

    To address your specific question; Ukraine has already been supplied with the European 'Storm Shadow' air launched long-range cruise missile, which is very definitely able to penetrate deep into Russia. In point of fact, Ukriane could launch them from it's own airspace and hit Moscow with ease.

    And Putin has done nothing at all different from his pathetic efforts of the last 460 days.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,059 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Didn't take you long to nail your colours to the mast, did it? Another Russian propagandist. Out, out, out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,324 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Surely dormant accounts or those registered 12 years ago with low interaction, should just be deleted automatically after a certain period of time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,036 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I don't think you understand, it is better to be dead than be the instrument of another.

    The ones that rule through fear depend on acquiescence. "Oh well we can't win anyway", "oh they are much too powerful". Firstly noone is as powerful in practice as their propaganda suggests, not Russia, china not even the us. So it is worth testing them. Secondly you have to hurt them even if you lose, otherwise they will be back to take more in a few years. So you see Ukraine has no choice, they must fight to the death or become the instrument of the enemy that persecutes them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭macraignil


    You seem to be somewhat deficient in knowledge of what has happened to putins forces since they invaded Ukraine. They have had to retreat from large areas that they had initially tried to occupy and that was before much of the current equipment that the Ukraine armed forces have arrived. Saying Ukraine is still not able to resist is simply deluded and putins military forces have lost thousands of the sc*m bags they sent to Ukraine to criminally attack a sovereign nation in spite of having signed agreements to respect their internationally agreed borders. It is no surprise that you feel a narrative that is not glorifying russia and its repeated criminal behavior is not coming from russia as they are the only ones who seem willing to try to justify their behavior in Ukraine.

    The idea that it is a war of artillery is a moskovyte invention as that is where they have invested a large amount of their military capital but it has proved to be painfully slow to demolish even small urban areas like Bakhmut with artillery and without a competent assault force to move forward after artillery strikes it has taken the moskovytes almost a year to take most of one small town and more recently their artillery ammunition dumps are being taken out by the more advanced weapons being sent to Ukraine so it has been the moskovytys who have had to reduce their rate of artillery fire. The supporters of Ukraine have also been increasing their artillery ammunition production so I don't think they will run out.

    Missiles that can target russia have already been sent to Ukraine and I hope the military forces of the international community will send more to help Ukraine stop the moskovyte terrorists. I think putin will die soon when enough of his people realise he is the reason so many of their young men are getting turned into fertiliser for nothing in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,408 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    We all know its the Russians stirring this with their Serbians friends.


    All Eyes On Rafah



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,408 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like the date is set so to speak, or more speech to panic the Russians into more concentrated areas.


    All Eyes On Rafah



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,541 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    123 posts of absolute garbage and lies. The mods took 2 weeks to fix the advert issue recently but there's been months of this putinbot nonsense coming through. I hope now that they move to end access for anyone spewing such falsities.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,444 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Short answer, Yes. Its just a question of time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,418 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You are blatantly misrepresenting the article which even says:

    The first thing was the revelation of the atrocities, rapes, murders, massacres, looting, indiscriminate bombings and hundreds and thousands of other war crimes committed by Russian troops in the temporarily occupied Ukrainian territories…

    So even the article you linked says one of the main reasons for no deal is Russian conduct. Nothing to do with the UK.

    Nowhere does the article state that Ukraine was ready to sign a deal but didnt cos of the UK.

    Nowhere does the article say Ukraine thought Putin could be trusted to abide by the deal.

    So your claims of objectivity cannot be reconciled with your misrepresentation.

    And then the laughable attempt to play the discussion forum victim card when you were the one who refused to discuss the evidence as proven in the linked post from yesterday which you did not engage with but repeatee your false claim.

    There was no tangible peace deal scuppered by the UK.

    You have entirely failed to demonstrate otherwise and multiple times now demonstrate you cannot engage with the rebuttal evidence.

    You are spreading Russian disinformation.

    There were strong concerns within Zelensky’s closest entourage that the Kremlin wouldn’t stick to an agreement for any longer than it suited its interests. The risks of signing the Istanbul agreement were high for Ukraine: key provisions, to do with the status of Donbas and Crimea, couldn’t be agreed until a later meeting between the presidents of the two states. Zelensky and his negotiators’ most important worry about the Istanbul agreement was, Romaniuk said, that “Ukrainian society might not accept such a deal”... With Ukrainian officials and commentators speaking out against the deal at the time, Zelensky must have understood that he had no mandate for territorial concessions to Russia.

    https://internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article7852

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,131 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    I don't want to be harsh, but you can't say "I could be wrong but I've been right so far" and not point out where you've gone against the consensus and be correct.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,444 ✭✭✭jmreire


    No Ukraine didn't have a large NATO trained and equipped army when this all kicked off. Had they had even half of what they now have, Russian troops would still be on the Russian side of the border, and there would not have been any invasion. And if you think that a Russian army that was literally kicked out of Afghanistan by sandal clad Tribesman, is going to be able to take and hold Ukraine...you have another think coming.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,839 ✭✭✭Polar101


    It's only a "war of artillery" because the initial Russian invasion failed and resulted in the current stalemate. Which might change if Ukraine can launch a counter-attack, Russia hasn't displayed much when it comes to offensive capability for about a year now. But there's also the constant bombing of Ukrainian civilian targets (by Russian cruise missiles, drones).

    As for Putin doing anything about anything, he has set a lot of red lines and threatened everyone in the world, but it's just been hot air so far (with the obvious exception that he did invade Ukraine).



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  • Registered Users Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    Have the Leopard II panzers seen action yet?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Yep. A significant breakthrough could cause a snowball effect among war-fatigued and ill-supplied Russian troops. Likewise there could be localised collapses. It's not impossible that significant tracts of weaker troops could crumble, which could cause severe problems for the Russian military.

    Don't think of Russian defense like Germany 1945, with fanatical German soldiers fighting every inch to protect their motherland to the bitter end. These are (largely) badly trained troops, often poorly equipped, fighting for money in a foreign land against very determined defenders.

    Ukraine prevailing is the goal of every civilized country.



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