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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Isn’t it a 45 man squad? Coombes will obviously be in it. If you can’t see what he brings, then I don’t know what to tell ya…



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,449 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I haven't seen anything particularly noteworthy from him. In comparison to other players like Prendergast or Deegan, he doesn't stand out in games at all. Penny scores as many tries as him, but don't think he warrants a spot either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,985 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Coombes will definitely be named today.

    I think Hodnett could well miss out and that will be the one that upsets people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    After Ross Byrne's bottle job against La Rochelle, I wouldn't like to see him near the team at the world cup. There were other internationals who bottled it as well which isn't a good sign. We're one of the favourites to win the World Cup and rightfully so. This is our time to do it so Farrell's most important job is selecting players with the right character and working on the mental side of things. We have to learn lessons from previous World Cup chokes.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,590 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,906 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    Barring injuries, the 23 we will be looking to field in the WC will be near identical to that which played most of the 6N. The same team that won a series in NZ, are ranked #1 in the world and just won a Grand Slam. Maybe there's 1 or 2 bolters into the wider squad, but with the depth we've built I kind of doubt it.

    I get the calls for Hodnett to come in, but back row is probably our strongest position, both in terms of the quality of starters, and depth wise.

    VDF and Doris have been two of the best in the world the last 2 years. O'Mahony has been amazing. Conan is a test lion and is back to his best form. I'm guessing we bring one more back row (with Baird and Beirne as 2nd rowers who can cover 6)? Prendergast probably the one in the drivers seat, but Hodnett has a shout. Then there's Timoney, Deegan and Coombes who could be in or around the wider squad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    How so? We should win this world cup, we've beaten everyone. New Zealand away, the grand slam, we've gone into world cups with expectations before and flopped, not this time. We're going to win the World Cup . We shouldn't accept anything less and the good thing is that the players/management won't either. No more chokes!



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,460 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    This is certainly a take... Between his tackling stats, his huge carrying numbers, his try-scoring, his passing and assisting, I don't know what else he'd need to do to stand out. He has occasionally looked like a flat-track bully in bigger games or in green where the team strategy isn't tailored around him the way it is at Munster but it's hard to fault him for that. I think he needs to be in as many camps as possible so Ireland can work out how best to use him and Coombes can learn to adapt a bit to a different system.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,906 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    Not winning the world cup is not a choke.

    A choke would be losing to both Scotland and SA and not getting out of the group.

    A QF against either NZ or France is basically a 50/50 call. France being the more difficult match on their home turf. But beating the All-Blacks is never easy and shouldn't be taken for granted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,449 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    You hit the nail on the head, he hasn't stood out against the best opposition. Be against Leinster, or teams in the HC. I'm not saying he's bad by any means, but I can't think of any game that's he's been the stand out player. Compared to the guys he's competing against, likely Deegan and Prendergast, who've stood out in comparatively poorer teams consistently.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    I guess you missed his block down that led to the try which won the match. Do you follow rugby?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,985 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I think he needs to be in as many camps as possible so Ireland can work out how best to use him and Coombes can learn to adapt a bit to a different system.

    In fairness to Farrell, Coombes has been in every Ireland squad since the summer of 2021, it's not like he's been completely out in the cold or hasn't had a chance to adapt to the system.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    I would just ignore that poster, and certainly stop quoting him.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


     Be against Leinster, or teams in the HC

    You should really check out his stats in the HC. This is just not true.

    His stats for the pool games (including 2 games again Toulouse) were off the charts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    The 46 players that were in camp (37 initial squad plus 9 called up) will surely be largely the 45.

    The two players I think could miss out due to shortage of playing time would probably be Scott Penny and either Carbery or Frawley.

    I could also see Timoney losing out to Hodnett.

    On current form Shane Daly has to be in there as well, I don't know whether that would mean dropping Larmour or Earls.

    There's a case for Kleyn over Treadwell also.

    Archer is playing better than Salanoa also.

    I'd have Loughman ahead of Kilcoyne and Milne too.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nah, I don't agree at all. He's a very different player to Caelan Doris, who is still by a distance our best 8, but Gavin Coombes is still a really special player. He's as good a short yardage carrier as you'll see anywhere in the game, and has plenty of other strings to his bow too.

    There is no way he won't be in the 45 man squad today.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭TRC10


    I thought Coombes was one of the few Munster players who probably didn't advance his cause much on Saturday. Didn't think he had much impact at all. Guys like Loughman, Kleyn, Hodnett, Crowley, Nash, Daly and Haley probably gave Farrell and co more food for thought. But I don't think their mind will have been changed much re: Coombes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭TRC10


    If I'm picking the 33-man squad now...

    Sheehan, Kelleher, Herring

    Porter, Healy, Loughman, Furlong, Bealham, O'Toole

    Ryan, Beirne, Baird, Henderson

    POM, Prendergast, VDF, Doris, Conan

    JGP, Murray, Casey

    Sexton, Crowley, R.Byrne

    Aki, McCloskey, Henshaw, Ringrose

    Lowe, Hansen, JOB, Nash, Keenan



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,631 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    When you write it down like that there really isn't a huge amount to debate..


    Does Baird go as a second row? If he goes as a backrow then maybe Treadwell/Kleyn go instead of Prendergast

    Do they bring 4 specialist centers?

    Who goes as the final back 3 player? i.e. Nash/Stockdale/Larmour/etc. etc.


    And really none of these decisions will make or break our World Cup



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Could see Frawley or Osbourne sneak in ahead of McCloskey. And McCarthy in at lock if Baird is seen as a 6 but can’t see any other bolters



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    We've got out of our group before and choked. It has been a regular occurrence in quarter finals. We don't want a repeat this time so the mental game is something that Farrell can't ignore. Obviously losing a close game to New Zealand or France may not be a bottle job but we're the best team in the World. The players will see anything less than winning the World Cup as failure and we should too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,906 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    We might be world number 1 and 6N champions, but there is very little between Ire/NZ/France, we are all on one side of the draw, and failure is a very strong word.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22 diarmconnolly


    Losing to Wales or Argentina can be seen as choking. Losing to the All Blacks or the French on their home patch can not.

    That said, I truly hope Farrell doesn't follow the same tired path of picking established names regardless of form. Picking guys like Kilcoyne, Salanoa, Treadwell, Prendergast, Timoney and Larmour ahead of lads in their positions who are showing far greater form would be a worrying first step on the campaign.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Our aim is to win the World Cup. Not doing so would be failure. There's no way to dress it up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    It depends on the manner of the defeat but I agree, it's important to pick form players and change things up if needed.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    My predicted 45:

    Hooker: R Kelleher, D Sheehan, T Stewart, R Herring

    LHP: A Porter, C Healy, J Loughman, M Milne

    THP: T Furlong, F Bealham, T O'Toole, R Salanoa

    Lock: J Ryan, T Beirne, I Henderson, R Baird, J McCarthy, J Kleyn

    Back Row: J Van der Flier, C Doris, P O'Mahony, J Conan, C Prendergast, G Coombes, J Hodnett

    Scrum Half: J Gibson-Park, C Murray, C Casey, C Blade

    Out Half: J Sexton, J Crowley, R Byrne, H Byrne

    Centre: G Ringrose, R Henshaw, B Aki, S McCloskey, J Osbourne, C Frawley

    Back Three: H Keenan, M Hansen, J Lowe, J O'Brien, C Nash, R Baloucoune



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Deegan and Prendergast score significantly fewer tries than Coombes

    Using the very blunt instrument of Tries per minutes played in their career,

    Coombes 1 try per 126 mins (and this is wiith him playing significant amounts of minutes this year in the 2nd row, the position least likely to score tries)

    Deegan 1 try per 164 mins

    Prendergast 1 try every 609 minutes


    Penny plays a different role to Coombes, They're not in competition with each other for a spot



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,449 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I don't ascribe a lot of value to tries score from 2ms out, where a player tends to get pushed over by a latching player. I don't think it's a reason to pick a particular player.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,460 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    For comparison Penny is 1 every 141 minutes this season and 1 in 122 last. He doesn't offer anything like the carrying threat of Coombes and tends to play against weaker opposition (though he has scored three times against Munster).



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Think that's pretty close to be fair.

    I think there's a discussion on whether you bring an extra "pure" 2nd row instead of another B/R at the expense of Prendergast - One of Treadwell, McCarthy and an outside bet on Kleyn.

    Similarly think there's a big discussion to be had on Nash vs Lamour - Nash definitely had the much better finish to the season but Larmour would have credit in the bank.

    Otherwise though I think all the other names are pretty well nailed on barring injuries.



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