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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,197 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    And Feijoo will say a vote for the Socialists is a vote for Podemos and they will turn Spain into Venezuela.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,635 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    PP will probably win and almost immediately become as unpopular as PS and the cycle will repeat for a good while yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,197 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Yeah, I got my hopes up a while back when Podemos and Ciudadanos first emerged but they've both been tossed aside. They just couldn't break the stranglehold of the big two.

    In a lot of ways, Spain is not unlike the UK. There's a lot of classism and harking back to better days. The Civil War, the dictatorship and the transition steered it away from a similar path but there's still a lot of things I notice among Spaniards that remind me of the English.

    The royal family get more flak but a lot of Spaniards struggle to see a world without them and there's not much of a Republican movement, despite there having actually been a republic in the last hundred years.

    There's a lot of banging on about traditions and what it means to be Spanish and build a unified identity but God forbid the Catalans or the Basques don't want to be a part of that, even from more open-minded types.

    I anticipate that this will be a shitshow of a campaign.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,076 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    I heard before that unlike in Germany there was never really a proper defascistisation carried out in Italy. That's the reason that you can buy trinkets with Mussollini's face on them in Rome whereas doing that with Hitler's face in Berlin would be both illegal and unthinkable. It's also why many Italians think fondly of that period as a time of Italian greatness. Is it the same story in Spain? Sounds like it might be.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,076 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Things have reached boiling point in Northern Kosovo. The ethnic Serbs boycotted local elections and now that ethnic Albanians have ben elected as mayors in their area they aren't happy. They injured NATO troops who were standing guard outside the mayor's offices yesterday





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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,197 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    There's been a lot of work in recent years to remove remnants of Franco. His statues have been torn down and his body was disinterred from the Valley of the Fallen, a memorial for war dead built by slave labour. There's still a lot of arguments whenever the topic comes up.

    The fascist salute is banned and his image isn't seen much in non-official channels but he's still there and there's a fair bit of 'he wasn't that bad' or 'things were better under Franco', with Vox leading the line in that department.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Spain buries fascist leader Primo de Rivera for 5th time , maybe they stake the body at a crossroads at midnight

    Spain's current government has been pushing for a new approach to Franco's legacy. In 2019, they moved Franco's body to a more modest location. Last year, they passed a new Democratic Memory Law and renamed the Valley of the Fallen back to its pre-war name, Valley of Cuelgamuros, part of the effort to transform the site into a monument to war victims.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,076 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I see Djokovic has weighed in on the Kosovo issue to calm the situatio.........ha ha no of course not. The massive bell-end is fanning the flames by writing "Kosovo is the heart of Serbia" on a camera at the French Open.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,635 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    He is a bell-end about many things but I don't see a problem with a Serb having a problem with Kosovo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,076 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    He's welcome to his own inflammatory opinions but choosing to literally write them on a camera lens unprompted, at a major sporting event, when that region is a powder keg right now, is reckless.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,635 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    He should certainly receive a sporting sanction because I am sure it's against various rules

    Kosovo was never a country but it long a part of Serbia and historically significant part so I won't judge any Serbs upset about what the Albanians done.

    It's akin to us claiming Liverpool as part of the Irish Free State.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Not only was Kosovo not ever a country, neither was Serbia - they were both part of Yugoslavia.

    It would be like us, not claiming Liverpool, but claiming Northern Ireland. Now that is something we would never do. No wait, we always did up until the GFA.

    These things are very complicated.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,297 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Further, it's quite easy for muti-millionaire Djokovic, who lives in Monaco, to throw out political grenades across this worldwide platform; he doesn't have to live with the consequences of what's going on over there. He's entitled to his opinion, but he's knowingly fanning the flames from a position of distance & extreme comfort from the problem. It's a dereliction of duty as a public figure people might respect or look up to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Heraclius




  • Registered Users Posts: 25,635 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Yugoslavia was a very short lived entity Serbia existed long before it.

    So famous people cant have an opinion on a volatile matter ?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,297 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Ach. Don't do that: I said, or implied anyway, that given his fame & prominence as a public figure, Djokovic should have considered how his comments mightn't help the situation. Instead he not just commented, but bullishly and with what seemed like intentional provocation. Yugoslavia remains a powder keg that requires a certain degree of diplomacy not unlike something like Taiwan or other geopolitical "Careful Now" scenarios. As the saying goes, if you can't say anything positive ...

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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,635 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Or Ukraine where the entire celebrity word is writing messages.

    You can kinda see why Djokovic wouldn't see any difference for his public support of one powder keg where he feels his country was invaded and another.

    Plenty of celebrities have waded in on stuff like this. Paul McCartney's song Give Ireland back to the Irish for instance or the whole BDS movement in Palestine.

    I don't want to go too far down the road of sounding like I am defending Djokovic as a person as he has some dubious ties to various crackpot ideas but I don't see a problem with a famous Serb supporting Serbs in Kosovo or being anti Kosovo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    It's a pity Kosovo and Serbia can't come to an agreement since the status quo isn't great for either (especially not for Kosovo). I'm not sure how any Serb can envisage a realistic situation where they get Kosovo back now. The Unilateral Declaration of Independence by Kosovo was definitely not a great idea since it went against international norms around territorial integrity but it seems like something that's impossible to reverse.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,297 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    One of those people where I'ad have assumed he already died a few years back but Berlusconi has passed. Most charitable thing I could say is that he was a divisive figure?




  • Registered Users Posts: 25,635 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    He was still a huge figure in Italy right up to his death.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,076 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Turkey are finally reversing their disastrous monetary policy. Presumably now that Erdogan's safely been reelected he feels he can allow this to happen. They've gone from 8.5% --> 15% and they may need to jump more given how bad inflation is over there.







  • A candidate in Ecuador's forthcoming presidential election has been shot dead at a campaign rally.

    Fernando Villavicencio, a member of the country's national assembly, was attacked as he left the event in the northern city of Quito on Wednesday.

    A member of his campaign team told local media Mr Villavicencio was getting into a car when a man stepped forward and shot him in the head.

    Current president Guillermo Lasso vowed the "crime will not go unpunished".

    Witnesses said Mr Villavicencio, 59, was shot three times.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,297 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I knew Argentina was having some more of its periodic problems with the economy, but yikes: I hadn't realised it was about to dip into full insanity as a political choice.

    In one corner of the ring stands Javier Milei, 52, self-described former tantric sex coach, outsider anarcho-capitalist and frontrunner in Argentina’s upcoming presidential elections; in the other, his compatriot Pope Francis, 86, world champion of the poor, repeatedly derided by Argentina’s likely next president as “a **** communist” and “the representative of the evil one on Earth” for promoting the doctrine of “social justice” to aid the underprivileged.

    Milei, a political unknown until 2020, has pledged to wage a “cultural battle” to transform Argentina into a libertarian paradise where capitalist efficiency replaces social assistance, taxes are reduced to a minimum and cash-strapped individuals are allowed to sell their body organs on the open market.

    Humanist is not a term that could be applied to Milei’s economics. Apart from legalising the sale of body organs, his spiky agenda proposes “dynamiting” the Central Bank, abolishing Argentina’s tuition-free public education system and disbanding free public health services. Milei is also treading fearlessly into anti-woke territory saying he will reinstate the ban on abortion, legalised in 2020, shut down the ministry of women, gender and diversity, as well as the ministries of science – “climate change is a socialist lie” – health, education, labour and public works, and will legalise the sale of firearms.

    Milei is aware of the likelihood of violent street protests. “I’m going to put the leaders of those who throw stones in jail and if they surround the Casa Rosada [the presidential palace] they’re going to have to carry me out dead,” he said recently. More pragmatically, he has announced plans to incorporate the military into battling the “new threats” of narco gangs, human traffickers and possibly internal strife.

    In a country that will celebrate four decades of uninterrupted democracy after decades of military rule when the new president takes office on 10 December 10, the prospect of the military reassuming a role in “internal conflicts” is raising alarms.

    What could possibly go wrong? Funny cos I had only remarked the other day that populism appeared to be on the wane; but sounds like Argentines are already suffering and thus, turning to loud promises based on classic libertarian canards. I can't see it ending well, especially for a country with an open wound relating to dictatorship.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭Good loser


    I think inflation is over 100% - fourth worst in world - so current Govt is hopeless. Frying pan/fire options.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,076 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    I was going to say that being a Libertarian who opposes the right to an abortion seems like a massive contradiction but then I googled it and it seems like it's a thing with some of them:





  • Registered Users Posts: 25,635 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Libertarian seems to just be a conservative that wants to pay no tax.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,548 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Plus often in favour of legalising some drugs - the ones they use specifically and solely; plus often with opinions on age of consent that would not be particularly popular either; from my experience of having to deal with some of them.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,297 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Basically. That kinda cuts to the quick of the whole "ideology", though I've often enjoyed the (admittedly sexist) snark that it's "astrology for men".

    I've often joked that no single rebellion or popular movement has existed, or even successful, off the back of pure and brazen libertarianism: whilst it might have a tragic effect on the Argentine economy and its people, we may yet get that test case.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,076 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I always see Libertarianism as pure selfishness wrapped up as a political ideology - ideal for people in a country who have never learned how to share.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    A bunch of Me Feinners who are only too happy to piggyback off the rest of society.



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