Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

And here you are, presumably you would like the world to be inclusive, tarring all nationalities or religions with one brush.

Being gay, you are aware that it is not a choice? There are gay people all over the world, of all nationalities and all religions. Banning a whole nationality of people or a religion because you believe they are against gay people is ridiculous and discrimination.

Indeed I have spoken to men (& women) from Asia and Africa and surprisingly found them all to be different and hold different views.

It's a horrible thing to say, but there are Irish people who don't like gay people either. Luckily we live in a country where we do not discriminate based on sexual orientation, among other things like religion.

No, they haven't 'become' dodgy, they always were, slightly, like most cities.

As a solo traveler I would be very aware of my surroundings & have also travelled around Asia, feeling very safe.

I have always felt safe in Europe also, the only places I felt were a little dodgy were Sofia & Athens, & tbf, nothing happened there. In contrast I was scammed by a taxi driver in Vietnam (didn't succeed 😁)

And on 2 different occasions 2 different groups tried to rob my bag in Vietnam and Cambodia.

Crime doesn't automatically equal immigrants, no matter how you try to spin it.

What law allows you to stop people on the streets and demand a passport?

There is no duty on any EU citizen to register their domiciliary in this country. We have no idea who are coming and going, but that doesn't seem to bother most posters, who are only worried about non eu immigration. Why is that I wonder 🤔

There is a duty on EU citizens to not immigrate and depend on the state or fail to look for employment IIRC. I think they have 6 months to find work. They are also required to show proper identification on entry. Maybe that’s what you are confused about?

The subject was broached by other posters who were saying that refugees would be homophobic because of the cultures in the countries they are fleeing/ coming from .

We all know that that is more BS being heaped , like the alleged murder and rape claims, as some are actually fleeing that repression themselves .

Not all, I grant you , and a lot of the integration work being done with these people is to teach them what is both legal ulturally acceptable in Ireland and what is not .

They may not accept that but they will have to abide by pur laws.

People here, are prosecuted all the time as you know for all sorts of crimes and why would refugees be different.

But it is wrong to say that this is an in surmountable issue .

The Ireland I and others grew up in was way more homophobic, racist and anti women than it is today . Even up to the noughties.

I cannot see it returning to dark times of the 70s and 80s but I suppose if it is happening in America it might happen here .

But not through allowing refugees , through allowing hate and hysteria to be whipped up by people, the likes of which have not had a foothold in this country before . Not the way it has happened in other countries like UK and America . Far right groups .

It would be shameful if it happened in our generation

I know there are people here who think this is just paranoia.

It's not. They are there at all the marches and protests, filming and whipping ordinary people up , pushing it more and more ..posting on social media , and on here ..

Irish people have changed so much for the better culturally in the last 40 years, and it's not just through travelling to other countries and being more affluent , we are more educated and open than we have ever been before .

We are less religious , but we are more independent than we have been in any time in our history .

We are less easy to influence one would think.

However there are parts of Ireland that still harp back a bit and are not as open to minorities , be they gay , ethnic or foreign , and I think this is what the poster I was replying to was talking about . Better than it was but not as easy as in cities. . And maybe they are feeling their world is going to be even more difficult now .Think that was his point .

Have to laugh at the idea that Ireland was better than Lonfon or Paris when back then two gay men couldn't walk down the street together without being hurled abuse and set upon in some cases.

If anything people should be fighting to prrserve equality nit rail against it.

As for my views about the Far Right, yeah, I am concerned.

The Swedes and the Americans never expected the far right to gain a foothold and grow in their open liberal societies .

People need to be wary of who is telling them how to think , act and vote , not just MSM but everywhere ., including this site.

I think the Dept .of Integration are working fulltilt , but they have been left by the rest of government to get on with an uphill battle which does noone , refugees or communities, any favours .

It's just a goddamn shame that our infrastructure ( housing , health , government ) hasn't kept up with all the positive change in our country over the last 20 years or so.

Leo and MM really need a good kick up the axxx to allow this to develop the way it has and they need to pull it all back now and get the basics right .

And if you want the whatabout route the guy that killed his entire family there in Tallaght..

Very easily. We can only do so much. We're a small island nation with massive internal issues (housing, health, poor Governance etc) and limited resources that are already hugely stretched.

Do I feel sorry for (genuine) refugees - of course.

Do I feel responsible for helping them resettle here? - nope. Ireland isn't responsible for the ills of the world and we don't start any wars. We have legal opt-outs of these "requirements" that we should be activating, but we have a Government determined to run our country over a cliff (again!) for whatever reason.

Recent poll results are inescapable. The electorate are demanding a change of approach.

And neither should we to be clear. It was the usual all refugees are fleeing war trope used by the media.

Again, you may be surprised to hear, I agree with you.

I don't agree with all the antiimmigrant blame game, but think we have reached the limit.

If they cut it off now I don't think we can be accused of not doing our utmost to help.

But I do think we are obliged to process the people who are here now, with stricter rules about returning those who are not found to be refugees.

There are also mechanisms under the Dublin Rule for returning people to the first country they were fingerprinted in and applied, in the case of those who are making multiple applications.

Other countries like Italy and Greece made good use of this legislation.

It should be applied from the first interview.

You don't seem to understand.....I don't have to have proof, because they don't need to identify themselves!

You don't need to condemn it, there is nothing to condemn.

I'm aware they are subject to different rules. Which is my whole point. Posters have no issues with 'unvetted ' EU and Irish people living near them. They have no idea what eu citizens are living near them, because nobody knows. But they have massive issues with 'unvetted ' non eu people living near them. Even though they are all registered and known to authorities.

Of course they do. No one is saying otherwise.

Everybody wishing to access services requires identification.

Which part of they don't need to register to live here can you not get to grips with?

How many EU citizens are living in Ireland currently? And where are they living? And what are their backgrounds?

There is no registration required, as you know.

How many eu citizens are living here today? Where are they living? What is their backgrounds?

EU citizens living in another EU state are required to register with the authorities if they are staying more than 3 months to the best of my knowledge

I'm other EU countries, yes.

Ireland doesn't require them to register.

Exactly.

You don't know how many EU citizens are living here. You don't know where they are living and you don't know their backgrounds.

It makes complaining about 'unvetted ' non eu immigrants a bit redundant.