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pcardin · 30-05-2023 2:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120657958#Comment_120657958

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Yaga

no, baba Yaga

30-05-2023 3:13pm

Most likely the drone attack on Moscow was carried out by Ukraine, using a domestically produced drone made in an artisan workshop. This is the simplest explanation.

People have been envoking/predicting "false flags" constantly during this conflict. Have any come to pass?

If this is the case (that it was Ukraine) then it will be used again. It's unlikely that they would manufacture eight drones and then simply abandon the design. Ukraine's Western allies do not want Western weapons used to attack Russia but they have no problem with Ukrainian weapons doing so.

They most likely had military targets which they simply failed to reach. Ukraine are not stupid enough to believe that crashing drones into apartment blocks will achieve anything.

Retr0gamer · 30-05-2023 3:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120658286#Comment_120658286

Ask yourself what Ukraine would gain by attacking civilian apartments. Also ask yourself why they were hit with such small payloads. This isn't a drone type Ukraine has used before, seemed pretty simplistic to me with very slow speed and low flight path. Looks way less effective than the Shaheds.

Anyway this attack completely goes against the way ukraine has attacked. Russia have no qualms about terror attacks against civilians while Ukraine has been attack military facilities strategically. We have also seen false flag events in the zaporizhzhia power plant and in Donetsk City. We are also talking about Putin who has a history of false flags.

Would not be surprised if this is a pretext to a mass mobilisation effort by russia.

30-05-2023 3:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120658322#Comment_120658322

Ask yourself what Ukraine would gain by attacking civilian apartments.

Answered already.

This isn't a drone type Ukraine has used before, seemed pretty simplistic to me with very slow speed and low flight path. Looks way less effective than the Shaheds.

Answered already. This was likely a newly-designed drone, artisan-produced. Something similar to a hobby r/c plane. Most of the quadcopters used daily in Ukraine were made by lads with 3D printers, lads who in peacetime would be making r/c planes, racing drones etc. These drones will be similarly low-tech, albeit fixed wing and with a 2-stroke r/c engine. Ukraine have an official program for this, they give funding to maker-types who have ideas for low-cost weapons.

False flag attacks are used to whip up public support for military action, or as a pretext for an attack. Last I checked Russia already invaded Ukraine, already mobilized hundreds of thousands. They have no need for false flag attacks.

Sleepy · 30-05-2023 4:04pm

Russia still hasn't actually declared war or moved to a full mobilisation of the country. I don't think either would make a huge difference on the battlefield tbh but using a false flag as a pretext to do so could help Putin cling to power a little longer.

The war is already lost, Russia's going to be an economic and cultural wasteland and pariah state for decades and it was alredy in terminal population decline before the "special operation" began. Ekeing out a few more years of his life in his golden cage (bunker) is about as much as Putin can hope for at this stage.

Desperate men don't act rationally.

Sigma101 · 30-05-2023 4:22pm

I'm inclined to agree that these attacks in Moscow can be attributed to Ukraine although we'll probably never know for sure. Spreading chaos and uncertainty among the public by staging audacious attacks would be consistent with the modus operandi of Kyrylo Budanov and the Ukrainian intelligence services.

It's not clear what the target was, if there was any. As I Kill You Scum! said, it could have been military. It could also have been infrastructure or even the home of an individual recognised as an enemy of Ukraine. The drones were almost certainly not deliberately targeting random civilians. Regardless, hitting any target would have had no additional strategic value. The strategic goal was already achieved by their launch. The DIY nature of the drones would also be consistent with the reluctance of Ukraine to use NATO equipment on Russian soil.

I expect episodes like these to become more frequent.

IdHidden · 30-05-2023 4:34pm

https://twitter.com/timothydsnyder/status/1663538426128343044?s=46&t=164doiZBMwnNrFfsvLsvPA

Good thread on Russian war crimes.

Brussels Sprout · 30-05-2023 4:39pm

The weather is refusing to play ball

https://twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1663534252565098498

Should be over soon though

IdHidden · 30-05-2023 4:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120658613#Comment_120658613

Redeployment of Russian AA assets before the counter offensive.
Shows the Czar isn’t in control and creates a sense of chaos.
Creates a political problem for the Russian leadership.
Makes Russia look weak in the eyes of the world.

Summer is coming Vatniks :)

RoyalCelt · 30-05-2023 5:21pm

That rain will take a week or so to dry up so even more delays. The later they start the more western equipment will be ready so it's not exactly a bad thing.

pcardin · 30-05-2023 5:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120658613#Comment_120658613

It was Prigozhin responsible for this attack. Elections are coming.

IdHidden · 30-05-2023 5:32pm

First they said he was dead now he is on a wanted list. What a joke Russian propaganda is, stupid Vatniks.

https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1663542777530167296?s=20

Dohnjoe · 30-05-2023 5:45pm

https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/7/7/542751.pdf

OCSE report

The Mission established that a large number of Ukrainian children have been, since 24 February 2022 and even prior to this date, displaced from the territory of Ukraine to the temporarily occupied territories and to the territory of the Russian Federation. While the exact numbers remain uncertain, the fact of a large-scale displacement of Ukrainian children is not disputed by either Ukraine and/or Russia. In this report, primary focus has been placed on orphans and on unaccompanied children, since those constitute the most vulnerable groups among displaced children. The Mission has established the three most commonly indicated grounds for the organized displacement of these children as: (1) the evacuation for security reasons, (2) the transfer for the purpose of adoption or foster care, and (3) temporary stays in so-called recreation camps. While in the temporarily occupied territories or in the Russian Federation, Ukrainian children are placed in institutions or in Russian families – the forms of the placement include adoption, which has been applied mainly to children from Crimea (at least since 2015) or custody, guardianship or foster families which seem more common for other Ukrainian children (mainly since 24 February 2022). Whatever the form of placement, Ukrainian children find themselves in an entirely Russian environment, including language, customs and religion and are exposed to pro-Russian information campaign often amounting to targeted re-education as well as being involved in military education. The Russian Federation does not take any steps to actively promote the return of Ukrainian children. Rather, it creates various obstacles for families seeking to get their children back.

Once again confirming that Russia bombs a Ukrainian city, then offers a "recreation center" for highly stressed parents to bring their children to in order to be protected, the Russians then pretty much take the children for trafficking and make it extremely difficult for parents to get their kids back.

briany · 30-05-2023 5:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120658896#Comment_120658896

Somehow I don't think Putin is in any great danger of losing an election and it's not because I think he's wildly popular with young and old alike.

Economics101 · 30-05-2023 5:54pm

My money is on the Moscow drone attackes being Russian False Flag jobs:

Putin has such form in this: think of apartment bombings and the Chechin conflict
Would seemingly small drones with little payload/descructive power have the range to reach Moscow from Ukraine?
We know from history that bombing civilian tergets tends to stiffen resolve and increase hatred of the enemy.

Of course, no real direct evidence, but at times it pays to look at circumstantial aspects.

Sigma101 · 30-05-2023 5:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120658877#Comment_120658877

It constantly amazes me how people on this thread can make statements with complete certainty, about something that they can't possibly know.

Boggles · 30-05-2023 6:08pm

Give the Ukrainians the proper tools to pummel Moscow.

Simples. 🤷‍♂️

It's going to happen sooner or later anyway.

briany · 30-05-2023 6:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120659052#Comment_120659052

If Putin A goes down, they can always get in Putin B from the doubles pile. I hear he can limbo.

I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct · 30-05-2023 6:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120658679#Comment_120658679

Christ imagine sitting in a trench in that

zv2 · 30-05-2023 6:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120658880#Comment_120658880

"Wanted - dead or alive" covers their ass.

rogber · 30-05-2023 6:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120657257#Comment_120657257

Full mobilization? We've only heard this like fifty times in the last twelve months.

zv2 · 30-05-2023 6:48pm

Solved. It was Ukraine-

https://twitter.com/petzpansen/status/1663601313513340934?s=20

pcardin · 30-05-2023 6:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120658896#Comment_120658896

and it also says - a strong leader, not a bunker coward

pcardin · 30-05-2023 6:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120659009#Comment_120659009

an yet, yourself did without a blink on the post I quoted you. This is the problem with vatniks, they see wrong in anyone except themselves.

30-05-2023 7:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120658989#Comment_120658989

Would seemingly small drones with little payload/descructive power have the range to reach Moscow from Ukraine?

To strike Moscow from near the border you want a range of about 500km.

A small drone with a gasoline engine can go pretty far. The Shahed-136 uses an Iranian two-stroke 50hp engine, the range is apparently 2500km.

20 years ago a small model aircraft went 3000km... obviously it was not carrying a warhead but it gives an idea of what kind of range a DIY drone can achieve. You don't need to be Lockheed.

Padre_Pio · 30-05-2023 8:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120659445#Comment_120659445

Even hobby model airplanes can have phenomenal distance if designed right.

Stick a cheap GPS module into them and they can follow waypoints anywhere.

pcardin · 30-05-2023 8:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120659445#Comment_120659445

OMG! Really?! Scary, isn't it?

saabsaab · 30-05-2023 9:03pm

"Moscow accuses Ukraine of terrorism after drone attack"

Even if true is this not pot and kettle?

Deub · 30-05-2023 9:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120658989#Comment_120658989

There are so many possibilities. It could also be the US (or China?) to see the positions, response time and how efficient Moscow’s defence system is.

pcardin · 30-05-2023 10:02pm

new load of drones delivered from Iran to Moscow on 29th May. Two terorist subhuman states united in holocaust against Ukrainian people.

https://t.me/rybar/47788

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