Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

I have no-issue with eu citizens being here, why would give kudos to Irish people for generosity to fellow Europeans?

I believe in generosity to all people regardless of nationality.

You however, assume that non eu citizens here are making fictitious claims. You also assume that they do not work.

All the moaning about asylum seekers adding to the homeless crisis, when most of them are being housed in old closed hotels and office buildings.

All the moaning about unvetted immigrants, when there are thousands of unvetted immigrants from the EU living here.

And medical cards are given to a hell of a lot of people in this country that do not need them. If refugees or asylum seekers are not given medical cards, do you think there will be less people sleeping on the streets.........

We haven't discussed illegal immigration, that's a different matter all together.

If you want to discuss illegal immigration I'd suggest a different thread.

Just as an aside what does a 'safe country' mean exactly?

Illegal immigration is not a different matter. If you are legally in a country, you have no need to claim asylum or claim refugee status.

Safe country:

https://asylumineurope.org/reports/country/republic-ireland/asylum-procedure/the-safe-country-concepts/safe-country-origin/

We write to people and tell them they are to be deported and ask that they deport themselves. If they contest the deportation order in the courts as virtually all of them will do with free legal aid, 9 out of 10 of them will be quashed. The entire deportation process is a another bad joke at the tail end of a butchered scheme designed to reward practitioners and bad faith actors rather than a scheme that would benefit refugees where they need help most in the world.

You don't claim asylum if you have no fear of removal to a place of persecution or if you come from certain countries. The right to claim asylum comes with a moral responsibility to engage with that process in good faith. Ripping up passports and lying about your origins or back story for example, is an example of bad faith.

You say these people have a legal right to be here but that's disputable. The application of the principle of non-refoulement means we agree not to remove someone to a place of persecution while their applications are assessed. That's manifestly not the same thing as making them legal residents. The fact we can deport people under the Dublin convention to other European states to have claims assessed is proof of this (although God knows, we can't even get that right).

I think we need a task force

Simon Harris confirmed to Aontú leader Peadar Tóibín that of 5,091 deportation orders signed since 2018, 781 have been "effected" - Irish Mirror

Last year 528 orders signed and 119 carried out, this year so far 448 signed and 22 carried out.

A spokesperson for the Dept of Justice said when questioned about people coming with no documents that they knew people flushed their passports down the toilet on the plane or else destroyed them before coming into contact with immigration officials.

Peadar Toibin was the person who got this information because he seems to be the only one asking any questions about this.

We are the weak link in the EU when it comes to immigration policy and yet those dummies running the country say everything is grand.

That wasn't sponsored by any of our NGOs by any chance?!!

Not per month, but per week -dunno how many followers either have but Roderick may get busy acquiring more hotels pronto!

Is feidir linn!

@Furze99 I just put in recent within one week and Ireland and it popped up in search. The girl on the left is in Northern Ireland and the one on the right is in the Republic. I just found is a bit distastful that in this video Ireland is being promoted as a good country to emigrate to due to our benefits and that's not me saying that but they themselves. Can you imagine how many people will see this video? I don't want to distract from the thread but thought I'd share this.

@enricoh I wouldn't know but this and channels like this seem to put out lots of this videos.

Have you proof that the Irish state stops paying welfare or other benefits when a deportation order is made? or proof they have ever been asked to leave direct provision for example?

After all, they can certainly head to the courts and challenge every decision endlessly, so I am suspicious that no NGO has raised this as another egregious breach of their rights.

They are not stateless by virtue of a deportation order.

Was there not cases of some using others pps numbers for welfare payment, i.e deceased or people who moved out of Ireland

I'm sure a few work cash in hand

The criminal sex offender Chico Makamda was served with a deportation order, but simply ignored it.

I presumed that after an Order is made, the Guards accompany the person to the airport, but obviously that is not the case.

Somebody who travels from a safe country like Albania or Georgia, who tears up their travel documents, and then makes a false asylum claim, is an illegal immigrant.

They are breaking the law, see the Immigration Act 2004.

And then we wonder, why there is protests from scared people over bus loads of men coming in

As far as I am aware:

Deportations barely happen. Maybe two a week last I checked.

There's an allowance given to asylum seekers in dp and they can also claim exception needs payments for a variety of things

All asylum seekers can work after 6 months regardless of merit of claim. Refugees were always permitted to work on receiving status.

Fast tracking only applies to the claim for asylum. The legal circus can go on for years which nullifies this process.