Cork developments

What school is in Dennehys Cross?

I know you got mixed up, but please say it ain’t so that any school got away with that as a valid objection either? What is the actual risk, an imaginary pervert? Enoch Burke parachuting off a balcony? Cant we build for families rather than imaginary monsters?

I lived in an apartment overlooking a school playground, it was an absolute delight hearing kids play at break time. I’ve stayed in hotels overlooking schools in cities too. It is a very normal and desirable situation for housing and schools to be beside each other.

think how lovely it is for parents or grandparents to live near their children’s school, and be able to see them occasionally out a window.

Would it be a good idea to put a library right next to a proposed Events Centre, though?

The quietest building in the city next-door to the loudest.

Actually, since the Events Centre is never getting built, I'd say let them drive on with the library idea.

Objectors have a list of 10/15 thigs that are their go-to reasons, this is one of them that's used whenever applicable. I'm not aware of it ever working as a reason to prevent development

The eyesore has been created by the developer!

It’s all part of the planning game!!

Purchasers of premises that wish to develop and grow the square footage of the property by multiples generally allow the premises to descend into disrepair.

They sit on it for years and it becomes an eyesore in the community. The belief is that planners will eventually tolerate any planning submission to rid the neighbourhood of the eyesore.

The owners of Derelict sites are rarely hit with fines etc, hence developers benefit greatly by creating these eyesores!!!!

There was a study done by the Irish Society of Chartered Surveyors a few years back that clearly demonstrated that building costs go up substantially when buildings for residential use are built increasingly taller. The study found a low rise apartment block of less than 6stories was a lot cheaper per apartment than building a high rise with the extra structures required for support of the taller buildings and other factors making them much more expensive with the cost of a high rise apartment built in Dublin city centre as much as 619,000euros at the time of the study. A spokesman for the study is quoted in the article below as saying:

“However, it is important to reiterate, that contrary to popular belief, building costs increase rather than decrease when building higher and become much more pronounced after 15 storeys/50m. As such, high rise is not typically used for affordable solutions,”

While I am not against there being some high rise development in Cork it will make expensive apartments so only has a limited role in making housing more affordable.

Why are you telling me to build apartments? Its not my business to be a property developer and I was just replying to a post linking the lack of high rise development all over Cork to high residential property prices when in fact high rise apartments are expensive so not really an answer to housing affordability. As I said I am not against some high rise developments but the report I referenced above clearly shows more limited numbers of floors on apartment developments usually means the apartments are built at a lower cost per unit. Maybe you would be better directing your post at someone in the construction business.

I don’t really know why we would want to build the absolute cheapest thing possible to build? Surely the ambition is build the most functional, make the best use of our space, support communities, allow families live within walking or cycling distance of a school, park, library, and other social facilities. Create living spaces where it is a pleasure to actually live. Preserve what’s left of our green belts and natural spaces outside cities.

That report has been repeated and I’ve seen various versions of the same info in other countries. It’s why you see bland ugly 5-over-ones or podium buildings sprawling everywhere in places where their planners put lowest cost per sqm above quality of life.

The objection on the basis of the three storey building being out of character for the area really falls down when there are plenty of three storey buildings within 200m of that site!

archive.is/P2Vad, public housing in Vienna , long article but worth the read

Thats really a worldwide problem though. We have absolutely failed to build anything anywhere in the world that looks nice in my lifetime, and I'm 40.

The reason this isn’t being done is, as referenced, due to viability. They can’t build them for private sale, as Irish people prefer houses and houses can be built at a lower cost, and hence lower sales price. Apartments tend to need investor money and this means they then manage the block while renting it out. The only problem is that the rent they receive much hit a certain return on investment or they won’t do it. The rent that would be required is generally higher than market value so they’re unviable.

Great news. I was in Oslo recently and their waterfront was developed and looked very similar to Cork. They even had a big red brick warehouse, similar to Odlums, incorporated into it. Great buzz around there with restaurants and cafes and lots of apartments. They then had ferries and tourist boats going to different destinations.