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All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship 2023 ( Munster And Leinster Championships,Liam McCarthy Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,953 ✭✭✭billyhead


    The grab all association wouldn't entertain that suggestion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,944 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ya they should be more like the soccer and rugby who play European cup finals in Tallaght and Thomond Park and have absolutely no restrictions on stadia size or quality for big games.



  • Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭Jock_Ewing


    I know the inter county season time and duration has been discussed at length. But as I type, sitting out in the beautiful Spring sunshine, the majority of senior hurling games are over and it's 30th May.

    I think we still need August for semis and a final. If the semis were on the BH weekend all club activities could take place in all but 2 counties, contesting an All Ireland mid August. Since April it's a mad scramble of U17, U20 and Senior games.

    Pre 1997 and back door provincial finalists re-entering the championship was very flawed too. A big name would go out at the end of May, start of June in a once off game. 1992 Tipp to Cork, 1993 Cork to Clare, 1994 Tipp to Clare, 1996 Cork to Limerick.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19 ValentiahYes


    It’s a non runner alright for the reasons you and others have stated despite being the fairest from a sporting perspective.

    I have a feeling the championship structure discussion has probably been done to death a thousand times over on here but the provincial championships are standing in the way of a fair and balanced format. Munster was great in 2018 and 2023 but 2019 wasn’t that competitive as there were too many one sided hammerings and 2022 suffered from a large gulf in class between the top two and the rest. It’s generally good but blows hot and cold overall.

    A round robin with 10 teams will hopefully happen eventually. Loads more games to keep those gate receipts flowing, and those provincial rivals would all still play each other. Top 4 or however many teams into the All-Ireland series. No more debates on whether the teams that don’t make it out of Munster would have made it out of Leinster, etc.

    Will probably never happen though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,087 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    True enough, Waterford already knocked out but did I hear they're club championship doesn't get going to August?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭Jock_Ewing


    That's the thing. If the club championship started 1st July in the 25 or so counties knocked out fair enough.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    It's an absolute disgrace this Munster final is not on in Thurles.

    Perfectly fair home and away agreements messed up by Cork too this year because they can't get their finances sorted on their own. The whole fairness of the competition is gone to f**k.

    They'll have to be taken to task on this too or any other county trying to start their campaigns with two home games in a row to build financial momentum for ticket and jersey sales.

    It should be a fair home followed by away or away followed by home roll out for everyone. Rotate it each year.

    This bullshit of denying a team a neutral venue for a final that's been in place for I don't know how long is outrageous. Sickening.





  • Kool the jets a small bit. Most,if not all of the Clare hurling base is east Clare. Indeed many of the current Clare team did their schools hurling in Limerick. So going to the Gaelic Grounds for them is not an away fixture as such



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,212 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    You seem to be gone full tonto on this fixture decision, do you own a pub in Thurles or something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,836 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Is part of the early finishes in the Hurling Round Robins to get some players out to play in the states promote the game etc ??

    It's such a shame the summer element of the Championship has been lowered. Not saying go back to September AI finals but it wouldn't kill them to spread it out more giving kids something to look forward too for the summer holidays

    Sure Club Championships are still starting around the same time they would pre 2018



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    A neutral venue for a final.

    Home and away agreements for finals.

    Home and away fixtures for everyone on a fair rotation.

    Not financial planning for certain counties.

    These are the cornerstone of any fair competition.

    If people are not angry over these basics becoming broken and the danger of these dark arts becoming the norm, it's going to become open season in the corridors of power and the weaker counties will be buried in admin as the stronger counties grab all. What Cork tried to pull is outrageous. Cheats. They're down in terms of trophies and success at senior level and are trying to change the landscape to favour them, both in terms of fixture planning and in terms of the finances. What other strokes are they going to pull? Do they want three home games in a row next year?

    Going back to the 70s and I'd say further back, Clare v Limerick is a Semple game. It's neutral and handy for the fans to get to.

    Fair play to Lohan and the Clare lads for standing up them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 366 ✭✭tranquilo


    I think some people are still extremely hurting and bitter that Tipp absolutely ballsed up their chance at a Munster final 🙄

    Give it time, the feeling will pass. Still in the competition like



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Yeah, Cork changing the neutral home and away fixture list to suit them and their financial needs is not the issue at all. Also trying to force the change of a neutral venue established for decades to suit their financial needs.

    Two home games in a row for a team should never be allowed to happen. Not in a round robin this short, where momentum is everything.

    I don't know what Ger Ryan is doing but he'd want to wake up.

    I really do despair at all this fixture bullshit and financial wrangling because it will lead to the end of the Munster championship sooner rather than later because the fairness is being lost. But maybe that's what Cork want - more games in an open championship league - get that money in faster with more home games. It's definitely for the best when one county just wants all the chips their way.

    Donal Og is wrong about a lot of things but when he gets it right, he gets it right. The Cork county board is absolutely ruthless in its self interest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,944 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Clare were offered a neutral venue for a final. But "all the way to Cork" was too far.

    It's been reported that fans of the various European soccer leagues are holding a tiny violin concert on Saturday to raise money for the poor Clare crowd who have to travel all those kilometers.

    The Sampdoria fans making the 1400km round trip to Napoli this weekend are said to be particularly shocked at the crime against humanity that was forced on the Clare hurling folk.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    The rug was pulled by Limerick and Cork and co. They knew what Clare were expecting because its been established for decades. They got cheated out of their traditional, neutral venue. All else is bullshit.

    But nobody else thinks like me apart from anyone with the slightest interest in the GAA:

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Here's your main reason why Cork changed the fair home and away Munster rota for everyone and how Limerick were able to use Cork, and vice versa, to cheat Clare out of the neutral venue practice that has been in place for decades. Cork need every bit of coin they can muster.

    TUE, 30 MAY, 2023 - 21:32

    JOHN FOGARTY

    The GAA has granted the Cork County Board a 12-month repayment break on its burdensome Páirc Uí Chaoimh debt.

    In relation to its total stadium redevelopment overheads - which last September stood at over €30 million - Cork GAA will not have to make their annual €500,000 loan repayment to Croke Park this year, Examiner Sport understands.

    A temporary moratorium on the sum owed to the GAA’s Central Council, which last September stood at €7,763,722, has been signed off by the association.

    However, the interest of 1.9% will continue to accrue on the amount owed while the loan 'holiday' is subject to a six-month review. Contacted by the Irish Examiner last night, Cork GAA had no comment to make on the debt decision.

    With no concerts at the venue this year, the county board’s revenue stream is significantly weaker than in 2022 when Ed Sheeran (twice), Elton John and Westlife played at Páirc Uí Chaoimh, along with hosting the sell-out Munster-South Africa rugby game last November.

    As of the end of their 2022 financial year last September, Cork GAA owed just over €21m in stadium debt to the Bank of Ireland. This year, annual repayments to the bank increased from €1m to €1.5m.

    In making their case to the GAA to stage the South Africa game, Cork explained that the large loans were “being financed within the broader context of the resolution of several legacy issues over the past two years relating to various legal, Revenue and local authority settlements, as well as the passing of a significant burden onto units through the introduction of the Rebels’ Bounty fundraising draw and the agreement of several new commercial arrangements with sponsors and partners.

    “As a result, no further financing was sought from CLG throughout the Covid pandemic, when the stadium was largely closed. Also, the sale of lands at Kilbarry is expected to reduce the debt significantly within the next 12 months.” 

    Last August, Cork City Council recommended against An Bord Pleanála granting planning permission to the board for the €75m construction project of 319 houses on Cork GAA’s 37-acre site on the northside of the city. The case was due to be decided by An Bord Pleanála last October, but is still pending.

    Last year, the County Board draw, Rebels Bounty, brought in over €380,000 for the board. Páirc Uí Chaoimh hosted this year’s Division 1 hurling final between Limerick and Kilkenny, but despite support from the Munster Council, it will not stage Sunday week’s provincial hurling final between Clare and Limerick following a successful late request by Clare to fix the game for their opponents’ TUS Gaelic Grounds.

    Cork GAA target three major events in Páirc Uí Chaoimh every year and while there were five concerts in 2022, it has not hosted a gig this year. 

    “The geographical location of the stadium nationally makes it challenging to secure major GAA events on a regular basis,” advised Cork’s proposal to Central Council for Páirc Uí Chaoimh to stage the Munster rugby game. The South Africa game was worth over €150,000 to the Cork County Board, a figure which will be reflected in this year’s accounts.

    Due to a clash between the Ed Sheeran concerts and Cork senior championship games last May, the hurlers’ Munster SHC round-robin game against Clare was played in Thurles and the senior footballers’ provincial semi-final rearranged for Páirc Uí Rinn. The condensed inter-county season has presented challenges in arranging concerts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Regulation of the fairness of the championship is getting very sloppy:

    Meanwhile, An Garda Síochána have confirmed they did not advise that the Wexford-Kilkenny Leinster SHC final round game in Chadwicks Wexford Park last Sunday be delayed by 10 minutes.

    In a response to a query from the Irish Examiner, the Garda press office stated “any decision made in relation to the start time of a match is a matter for the event organiser.” 

    In the interests of fairness, all three final round games, including Westmeath-Antrim in TEG Cusack Park and Dublin-Galway in Croke Park, were scheduled to start at 2pm. However, the game in Wexford was put back because of traffic.

    A post on Wexford’s official Twitter account read: “Today's match has been postponed by 10 minutes due to traffic congestion outside the ground. Throw-in will now be at 2.10 p.m.” 

    The attendance at the game was later confirmed as 9,725, over 5,000 shy of the capacity crowd that watched the counties’ Walsh Cup game under the stadium’s new lights in January. On Sunday, Wexford beat Kilkenny to remain in the Leinster SHC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,130 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Don't understand your point here. What's the connection between Tipperary's potential participation in the Munster Final and Thurles as the venue? Surely if Tipperary were in it Thurles was actually less likely to be the venue?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,130 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Hard to understand why the "condensed inter-county season has presented challenges in arranging concerts" in Cork.

    Does the new calendar not mean a stadium like Páirc Uí Chaoimh is actually freed up entirely for June/July/August?

    They were probably determined to have the Munster Final there but the date of that in early June would be well known in advance and guaranteed no unanticipated replay anymore so that wouldn't have affected plans for concerts.

    They should've thought about Cork's "geographical location" before ploughing so much money into the stadium. They are lucky to have the Munster rugby team to fill it occasionally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,130 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Funny how despite all the talk from some here about Kilkenny-Wexford being the most important game of the weekend and that it should've been on TV etc., the paying public decided the Walsh Cup match between the teams in January was a bigger draw!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭q2ice


    This bullshit of denying a team a neutral venue for a final that's been in place for I don't know how long is outrageous. Sickening.

    Do you realise that Limerick and Cork are different counties?

    If the match was played in Cork then it would have been a neutral venue for both Limerick and Clare.

    No team was denied a neutral venue!


    It was Clare who asked for the game to be played in the Gaelic Grounds, not Limerick

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  • Registered Users Posts: 693 ✭✭✭Newbie20


    What the hell are you on about? A NEUTRAL venue is one that isn’t played in either of the participating counties. That was going to be Cork and Clare asked for it to be changed and now it’s no longer a neutral venue (that’s of their own doing). Why should it be on in Thurles again when it was on their last year. If it had been on in Thurles again would you have been saying Tipp were pulling a strike getting it played there 2 years in a row?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    But did Clare not ask for the Gaelic grounds because they were denied thurles? Because the gaa are obsessed with getting PUC paid off?



  • Registered Users Posts: 816 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    Cork was a neutral venue for Limerick versus Clare. What part of that fact do certain posters not understand. Tipperary people are not entitled to dictate where all Munster games must be played. Clare supporters are in general very supportive of playing the final in the Gaelic grounds. Meanwhile many Tipperary supporters are extremely agitated over the decision. Why, I wonder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭q2ice


    Clare preferred playing in Thurles, Limerick preferred playing in Cork. If they both wanted it in Tipperary it would have been played there, if they both wanted to play in Cork it would have been played there.

    As they both wanted different different venues it would have been up to CCC to decide where the game would be played.


    @opinionated3 My post was highlighting the fact that Cork would have been a neutral venue. A neutral venue is one that is not in either of the two counties involved in the match and Cork are not playing in the match. What makes people think Cork wouldnt have been a neutral venue?

    Are posters confusing fair with neutral?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,212 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Oh I dunno will it ever pass. I mean ye went 45 years without winning an all Ireland and were still hurting! As for ballsing things up, 1994!



  • Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Mac_Lad71


    It's a Munster Final between two of the traditionally lesser lights in Munster hurling.

    Clare with a pathetic 6 Munster titles.

    Limerick with a paltry 23.

    Cork head and shoulders above the rest with 54.

    Let the hurling peasants enjoy their day in the sun cos when its done the Rebels will still be on top.



  • Registered Users Posts: 943 ✭✭✭Vinnie222


    I don't think anyone in Limerick is hurting. 4 all Ireland in 5 years, thing couldn't be any better. As for Tipp it looks like their all Ireland was 2 weeks ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Makes zero sense, just wants to have a pop at tipp, sense doesn't come into it for some posters. Was out in limerick for tipp/limerick league game and can happily say in the pub we were in the limerick people were not like a good portion of the limerick posters on here just constantly having a pop at tipp, its strange behavior, i dont recall much anti limerick from tipp posters on here before.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,944 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    No one was "denied" Thurles. No one has a right to Thurles except Tipp.

    As I was joking about last night hurling fans need to seriously get the fek over themselves. It's not even a nationwide championship and the majority of games are played in regional championships within hurlings own little region.



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