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Cork City - anti social behaviour etc... what's being done?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Mav11




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,415 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Definitely traveller with a passat cc see a video of a fight outside courthouse doing the rounds as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    I've heard that was between two feuding traveller families from the Mahon area. The two factions met each other outside the courthouse, and the whole thing spilled further down Anglesea Street, until they ended up having their little scrap right outside the main Garda headquarters in Munster! None of the guards inside could be arsed enough to do anything about it though!

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    @ofcork "Definitely traveller with a passat"

    Do you have actual knowledge of this or are you just casually engaging in discriminatory accusation?

    Post edited by the beer revolu on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,542 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Sometimes it's more prudent to let these things play out rather than get stuck in. Can't blame them really, not like they'll get any back up from powers that be if things go pear shaped.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,415 ✭✭✭ofcork


    What would you call him an upstanding member of society???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Deflection from the question asked.

    Do you know something about the identy of this man?

    If not, why are you ascerting that he is a member of the travelling community?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,415 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Seen enough of them no point going on what he did was a disgrace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Oh, right.

    You've said enough.

    (and don't, for one single moment, try to suggest that I have in any way condoned the behaviour in question, or any animal abuse - that would be merely more deflection)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,542 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    If there's a punch up, in broad daylight, with multiple people involved and, to use the media code word, from "extended families", 99 times out of 100 it's you-know-who. Let's not be coy and pc about it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Spent a few days in Cork. As usual, pubs, cafes, shops and restaurants are all great, once you get off the street. The streets come across as having deteriorated further, a few examples from 3 days below.

    Walked from college of comm to patrick street in the morning, it was as bad as I've ever seen it. I counted 22 people lying on the street, looking zoned out of their heads. Puddles of vomit, and other bodily excretions, broken glass, rubbish, broken eggs. At one point I thought, maybe I should look up higher , rather than at the ground to avoid stepping in god knows what, but the floors above the street are rotting as well.

    I walked the railway line between atlantic pond and rochestown. Some development is done, More eggs and glass smashed , looks like thrown from the bridges, fresh ugly graffiti on the newly cleaned and developed areas. Came up off the path at the petrol station on the blackrock road to buy something, their ATM has a "broken due to attempted theft" sign on it, it's visibly smashed. The shop assistant there told me a few of the houses nearby had break-ins recently when I asked have robberies increased.

    Taxi to the airport, taxi driver had dressings on his face, he told me he had been attacked by a passenger refusing to pay 2 nights ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    3 days in a city, and that's all the anti-social behaviour you encountered? Sounds like paradise to be honest. Let me tell you about my recent visits to Limerick/Galway/Dublin/London/Amsterdam/New York/etc etc etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    "you know who", followed by "Let's not be coy about it".

    Couldn't make that up. 😁😂🤣

    Go on, say what you want to say. Clearly, the mods don't take action on blatantly discriminatory comments in this forum (provided they are directed at a particular ethnic group). Why are you worried?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 845 ✭✭✭what the hell!


    Yes they're travellers. You know that too. Not sure why you're trying to make a big deal about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I made no comment about this fight. I responded to the "definitely a traveller", comment about the unidentified person abusing the dog. That was blatantly stereotypical discrimination.

    My other reference was to the hilarity of the, "you know who", followed by, "Let's not be coy"!

    Fair play, you weren't coy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,957 ✭✭✭sporina


    rem that email I sent to the council?

    eventually got a reply.. well, more of an acknowledgement..

    "I am emailing you to acknowledge receipt of your concerns in relation to issues in the city. These concerns have been passed along to the HSE and An Garda Síochána and the issues are discussed at the Joint Policing Committee"

    I have actually unfollowed this thread... just came back on here to post the above..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭notAMember



    Reading comprehension fail at the second sentence I'm afraid, back to school with you. :p I said it was 3 examples. not ALL. If I listed all, I'd have a few thousand words going.

    However, I partly agree, yes, dublin and new york are even shlttier shltholes. Amsterdam and London are in far better shape than Cork though. There is no "nice" part of Cork anymore.

    If your goal is to see Cork become the filthiest, up there with the big names, it would need to be a city in the first place. We're just a mucky little dot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Oof I don't know about Amsterdam and London, I see lots of nasty behaviour and scenes in both if I'm honest. But Amsterdam in particular is a better place to just "be" on the street.

    NY and Dublin are a different league though I fully agree with you. But I've had very positive recent experiences in Cork to tell you the truth, I wish I was in the city more. Cars dumped and driving absolutely everywhere is my biggest issue with Cork. And that's a minor issue really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Also, regarding "nice" part of Cork, how about Mardyke? No?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    London is a total and utter hole imo. Cork has it's issues for sure, but it's still safer than most other cities around the world.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Mav11




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    The city centre is still a dump though, well more so the O'Connell/Henry Street area. We're lucky that Cork has also avoided the gangland crime problem that affects parts of Dublin city as well thankfully. We also have west Cork and the very underrated west Waterford area on our doorstep as well. Kinsale for example is just over half an hours drive from the city. In the grand scheme of things we have it good in Cork, although we haven't seen Liam McCarthy or Sam Maguire on Leeside in quite awhile though!

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    You'll still get your house broken into or your bike stolen just as easily in South East Dublin though. And I agree on the "more restaurants, nightlife etc" angle, but that's just a scale thing.

    I don't think you're quite comparing like with like, by comparing Cork city centre with Dublin's leafy suburbs. You could live in Greenwich and have a wonderful London experience, or live out in Williamsburg and have a lovely New York experience, or maybe live in Blackrock and have a lovely Cork experience, but we're not really talking about comparisons of leafy suburbs. Well I wasn't anyway.

    City centres... you're going to get anti-social behaviour proportionate to the scale of the city basically. Cork's small, so the scale of the anti-social behaviour is small. There's security with sub machine guns on the street in Amsterdam at the early hours of the morning guarding the weed cafe's, while queues of zombies stand around outside...Cork's generally pretty tame I'd be inclined to say. Because it's small.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    I'd have to agree with you there, i always found the area around College Green/Dame Street/Grafton Street/St Stephens Green to be grand in fairness. The powers that be gave up on the north city centre years ago.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Cork's urban neighborhoods seem to offer little in terms of venues like that.

    Once you head out of the city centre, there are not that many restaurants or entertainment venues. A fair number of pubs though!

    Areas like Douglas Street, just a few minutes walk from the city centre, could do with more business ventures I think. There are already some very good bars, a small tapas restaurant, and the Nano Nagle centre, but the street needs more life IMHO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    I'd say St Lukes is doing pretty well too, but obviously nothing comparable with South Dublin in terms of venues.

    Douglas street could really do with a "urban realm" scheme to be honest. I like it as a street but it's really not a street you'd sit outside on.

    Edit: Douglas itself does have quite a bit. But I wouldn't say it's anywhere near on par with South Dublin in terms of being a nice streetscape etc. Again the traffic and street design is a big problem in Douglas.

    And Bishopstown is like a little mini town too with lots of different social outlets, but again nowhere near as nice as one of those South Dublin "villages" really, and very little in the way of nightlife.

    Post edited by hans aus dtschl on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    A decent sentence for once. We need to see more of this from the courts. Over three hundred previous convictions between the two of them. Nasty, dirty and horrible bstards.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41135104.html

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭rob316




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  • Registered Users Posts: 411 ✭✭Robert Nairac


    Have people here encountered the "leave me alone" bicycle man? Is he dangerous?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Yes, a few times. Poor guy seems like he needs psychiatric help. I wouldn't say he's dangerous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,295 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Except when he's cycling at speed on the footpath.



  • Registered Users Posts: 411 ✭✭Robert Nairac




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,295 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Late 20s, early 30s. Tallish, fairly non descript. Wearing sunglasses any time I've seen him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Scipri0


    I think this cyclist fella has eluded me so far unless i never really noticed him. Only think i can remember is about over a week ago some guy on a bike at a bit of speed passed up behind me on Oliver Pluntkett Street and mumbled something but nothing i really took notice of.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,415 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Yet another stabbing in the city tonight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭notAMember


    7pm on Grand Parade.

    Not even shocking anymore unfortunately.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    There was always a troubled looking group around that area by Dealz/Centra. Awful to hear of this kind of violence in the city centre :(



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭notAMember


    That it is within a rough group was my first thought too.

    I’ve been reading the news reports and interviews on the students killed in Nottingham recently. The locals mention that feeling of small comfort or safety when you assume that stabbings in the news are within a drug-gang or group of homeless people as usual. It’s natural to do it I suppose. But in Nottingham it has spilled over into dead passers-by.


    In my head, I keep remembering last week when I walked past that centra with my kids at around 7pm , we had gone into town to get some new clothes after school and they wanted to go to McDonald’s. It looked too rough for me, we went home instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,677 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Paul Byrne mentioned incident(s) on Cornmarket Street and Copley Street tonight, two injured



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    The poor man attacked on the Grand Parade has passed away may he RIP. Our once fine city is in bit of a sad and sorry state at the moment. The Gardai, the city council and the justice system in this country really have failed us badly imo.

    https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/man-stabbed-cork-city-centre-27141871

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Scipri0


    The justice system needs an overhaul. We have to many vested interests in having people with lots of convictions getting suspended sentences just to come back into the limelight in a few weeks/months but of course everytime this happens the solicitors representing them with free legal aid get paid again. Try it sometime!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,677 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭magic17


    Got a 5 month sentence around the 31st March: https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-41106427.html Yet he's been involved in this incident in the middle of June, less than 3 months later.

    27 counts of threatening behaviour and previously caught carrying knives: https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40789659.html

    Wandering the streets like everyone else. It's scandalous the state of this country. RIP to the young man who passed away.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Yes, there is some truth to this IMHO, but the Leftie part of my brain still thinks that many, not all, of these problems have a societal cause that could be addressed with the right social policy from the state. I won't get into this debate here obviously!

    It was good to see the Lord Mayor calling for more Gardaí on the street. You would still rarely see them patrol what are known trouble spots in the city.



  • Registered Users Posts: 480 ✭✭costacorta


    A joke that he was out killing somebody in June after getting 5 months at end of March . This needs to be looked into as a man is dead at the hands of this scumbag. That judge is a joke anyway



  • Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Scipri0


    I agree. I grew up in a council estate myself and would be familiar with what happens to people who don't get support throughtout life and i know a few myself but also in saying that. It's always brought back how this person grew up in such a household or hung around with certain groups. While not all, I also grew up in the same areas, etc.

    My dad served in teo armies and my mother was a stay at home mother but most of the time i went to school without breakfast,school lunch and for about 3 days of the week given 20p(which me and my brother and sisters going to school) would buy a chocolate bar and a packet of crisps. It wasn't all the time but it was often enough, if we stepped out of lin my father who used his belt, me and my brother never had the wooden spoon and laughed when in a friends house his mother and father chased him about. It was only a few years ago that i knew the wooden spoon was a thing.


    What i'm trying to say is that while we didn't have much my parents still kept us in check and we never caused any hassle growing up apart from playing ball outside a neighbours window. I feel it's being used as a "Get out card" for people who actually don't care about other people around them and perhaps they're scum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Just my thoughts on Cork city lads. I was out there last night which is rare for me I usually stay local. Had a few pints on Oliver Plunkett St. There was gards around and I thought there was a good buzz around but next thing this guy was pissing on the middle of the street and when he's finished that the tin foil came out and smoking his gear right in the middle of the street. It's wrong and needs to be tackled somehow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I'm afraid that the only conclusion I can take from this post is that you think criminal/antisocial behaviour is somehow genetic?

    If that is the case, I fear what your proposed solutions might be!



  • Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Scipri0


    Not really but i would say it has to do with how your parents raised you. We also hear they had nothing growing up etc. neither did i but i didn't turn into a scumbag. Maybe their parents letting them run wild without discipline is part of the problem?



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