Michael Conlan Pro Debut

NIMAN · 27-05-2017 12:44pm

Conlon kinda looks embarrassed in that photo.

"I'm going to have to beat on this chubby guy".

Does nothing for MCs credibility or the sports.

Too Tough To Die · 27-05-2017 2:41pm

Pretty much standard procedure at this stage of a fighter's career. Doesn't exactly damage his credibility either.

megadodge · 27-05-2017 2:45pm

Gamebred wrote: »

Lomachenkos pro career and opponent choices should be supported, could've wrecked a heap of bums to ''get experience'' but he took a chance very early to fight the best around hats off to him hes a breath of fresh air.

Try not to forget that Lomachenko is the exception to the rule, in more senses than one.

In the history of boxing only Pete Rademacher could be said to have a harder opening to his pro career when he challenged heavyweight champ Floyd Patterson on his DEBUT having won the Olympic gold.

Lomachenko also had six WSB bouts which are in effect professional contests.

I'd prefer if Conlan's contests were harder and if the radio is to be believed this morning he's of the same opinion himself, but the way people are talking here it's as if Conlan is after his 20th bout not his second.

NIMAN · 27-05-2017 2:45pm

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

Pretty much standard procedure at this stage of a fighter's career. Doesn't exactly damage his credibility either.

You mean deliberately put him in against a bum who has no chance, for fear of ruining a marketable boxers career too early?

MC even said himself, in a roundabout way, that the guy was useless.

Too Tough To Die · 27-05-2017 2:59pm

NIMAN wrote: »

You mean deliberately put him in against a bum who has no chance, for fear of ruining a marketable boxers career too early?

MC even said himself, in a roundabout way, that the guy was useless.

Yes, that's exactly what i mean. Standard procedure.

I think Conlan was more annoyed that the guy didn't come to fight and it's hard to look good against someone like that. He obviously knew the guy was a bum as soon as the fight was announced, no surprises there.

walshb · 27-05-2017 3:52pm

I could be wrong but did the announcer call the fight at flyweight?

MC weighing in at 123.5...

Yes, he did say flyweight...stupid!

super_furry · 01-06-2017 4:29pm

I see Conlan's fighting another absolute nobody. Jarrett Owen, an 31-year-old Australian who's never fought outside of Austalia, had just one fight outside of Queensland, and has five wins from 12 bouts.

Think the gloss is already starting to wear off.

Too Tough To Die · 01-06-2017 4:55pm

super_furry wrote: »

I see Conlan's fighting another absolute nobody. Jarrett Owen, an 31-year-old Australian who's never fought outside of Austalia, had just one fight outside of Queensland, and has five wins from 12 bouts.

Think the gloss is already starting to wear off.

Good. He's going into his third fight, there should be no gloss. Gloss should be earned in the ring. This is pretty standard for a 3rd fight. It might be best you tune out for the next 12-18 months and check in with him again later.

Morrison J · 01-06-2017 4:58pm

super_furry wrote: »

I see Conlan's fighting another absolute nobody. Jarrett Owen, an 31-year-old Australian who's never fought outside of Austalia, had just one fight outside of Queensland, and has five wins from 12 bouts.

Think the gloss is already starting to wear off.

Were you expecting anything different?

The gloss of the debut was never going to remain tbf. End of the day he's headlined two shows and is appearing high up on the bill for a Pacquiao fight. Not a bad stage to be learning from. Virtually unheard of for a three fight prospect.

The opponents aren't going to be much better for the foreseeable realistically. No point in risking putting his career in tatters by throwing him into the deep end when he's still only learning. Top Rank are the best there is at building prospects.

SHOVELLER · 07-06-2017 4:26am

Think its a compliment to Conlan that some are already wanting him to face more difficult opponents but no point rushing there as he has to gain experience.

Met him at the Mexico game along with Macklin and you would want to see his face when we asked would McGregor lead him out again:D

He also confirmed after oz his next fight would be in Boston.

Morrison J · 24-01-2018 6:42pm

Changed trainers to Adam Booth. Great news!

Robles was just the completely wrong style of trainer trying to make Mick into some kind of Mexican pressure fighter.

Writing was on the wall in Mick's last fight I thought when he boxed more and basically ignored everything Robles was trying to make him into. Wasn't a coincidence that it was his best performance to date. Booth will be perfect for him.

megadodge · 24-01-2018 10:57pm

Morrison J wrote: »

Changed trainers to Adam Booth. Great news!

Robles was just the completely wrong style of trainer trying to make Mick into some kind of Mexican pressure fighter.

Writing was on the wall in Mick's last fight I thought when he boxed more and basically ignored everything Robles was trying to make him into. Wasn't a coincidence that it was his best performance to date. Booth will be perfect for him.

Couldn't agree more.

Delighted it's Booth, as I rate him very highly as a trainer. A real thinker and strategist and usually gets the best out of his boxers.

walshb · 25-01-2018 4:27pm

Morrison J wrote: »

Changed trainers to Adam Booth. Great news!

Robles was just the completely wrong style of trainer trying to make Mick into some kind of Mexican pressure fighter.

Writing was on the wall in Mick's last fight I thought when he boxed more and basically ignored everything Robles was trying to make him into. Wasn't a coincidence that it was his best performance to date. Booth will be perfect for him.

You still think he becomes an absolute mega star? Surely Robles would have done everything he could to have kept him stateside? Rumor has it that Robles was not giving the time to Conlan....Was a little more interested in Valdez..

MCs still due to fight stateside for Top Rank. I wonder has something gone a wee bit sour?

Morrison J · 25-01-2018 4:44pm

walshb wrote: »

You still think he becomes an absolute mega star? Surely Robles would have done everything he could to have kept him stateside? Rumor has it that Robles was not giving the time to Conlan....Was a little more interested in Valdez..

MCs still due to fight stateside for Top Rank. I wonder has something gone a wee bit sour?

Yep and this is definitely a further positive step towards that becoming reality.

Valdez is tailor-made for Robles as a trainer being a high output, pressure fighter. I can see why they'd have more of a connection.

Conlan was on Newstalk after his last fight saying he took advice from his dad and fought different to what Robles was teaching him and how much better he performed as a result. I doubt things turned sour, he just made the move that made sense for him career wise. Robles was never going to get the best out of him, same with Quigley.

He'll keep fighting stateside because Top Rank know he can be their future cash cow over there. Once he keeps winning he'll keep selling tickets. Nobody in world boxing who can sell out the theatre in MSG on their debut.

SHOVELLER · 26-01-2018 12:08am

March 17 in the theatre next up with presale this day week.

But he will be traveling across the pond to get there. With the change of trainer this is not much of a shock but still a shame IMO. Overall though family comes first.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2018/1/24/16931062/michael-conlan-changes-trainers-moving-back-to-belfast

NollagShona · 26-01-2018 11:57pm

Anyone else think he’s being “offloaded”?

Morrison J · 26-01-2018 11:59pm

NollagShona wrote: »

Anyone else think he’s being “offloaded”?

By Robles? Why would you think that?

megadodge · 27-01-2018 12:50am

NollagShona wrote: »

Anyone else think he’s being “offloaded”?

No.

I think he's going to a much better coach and it suits him infinitely more from a domestic perspective.

NollagShona · 27-01-2018 1:42am

pac_man wrote: »

No chance. Conlan has the potential to be a major cashcow and trainers get 10% of that.

Still think when US trainers think a guy isn’t quite up to it, they suddenly get homesick

walshb · 27-01-2018 9:21am

Only MC and TR and Robles know...

I asked the question...

Bit early really to think it’s an offloading, but you never know.

He has yet to fight anyone approaching decent, so if TR and Robles offloaded him then it’s a bit premature.

Too Tough To Die · 27-01-2018 10:55am

Top Rank certainly haven't offloaded him, they've already invested quite a bit in him. The fact he left around the same time as Quigley would suggest that neither of them thought they were up to much under Robles, who seemed to be trying to turn them into fighters they are not.

NollagShona · 27-01-2018 11:00am

pac_man wrote: »

No chance. Conlan has the potential to be a major cashcow and trainers get 10% of that.

Stevenson is the cash cow, don’t want Conlan ending up like Duddy, fighting in the garden every paddy’s day to please the plastic paddies

Morrison J · 27-01-2018 12:11pm

NollagShona wrote: »

Stevenson is the cash cow, don’t want Conlan ending up like Duddy, fighting in the garden every paddy’s day to please the plastic paddies

Based on what is Stevenson the cash cow? I doubt they've made a cent off him yet and he hasn't looked any better than Conlan has to date.

NollagShona · 27-01-2018 3:54pm

pac_man wrote: »

Maybe in time to come, that might be the case but a bit like your "offloading" comment, it's a bit early to be making them assumptions.

He is the US Olympic Medalist ffs. Not some guy associated with Irish criminality

NollagShona · 28-01-2018 1:18am

pac_man wrote: »

Whats your hang up with Conlan?

Guess...

NollagShona · 28-01-2018 9:31pm

pac_man wrote: »

I don't know, that's why I asked.

Not some guy associated with Irish criminality

:rolleyes:

NollagShona · 28-01-2018 9:37pm

pac_man wrote: »

Do you know the ins and outs behind the operations of MTK?

I know the Kinahans are involved, quite publicly.

I've seen their work and the dreadful outcomes. I dont support it.

This weekend at the stadium amplifies it.

walshb · 28-01-2018 9:58pm

Quit the silly beggars about MTK and Macklin and what is linked here...

NollagShona · 28-01-2018 10:02pm

pac_man wrote: »

Are they? Last time I checked Matthew Macklin is managing him. You'd probably want to be vigilant with regards to what you believe and read in the media. Your last sentence exemplifies that.

What money is bankrolling it?

You lie with dogs, you catch fleas

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/true-warrior-mob-boss-kinahan-breaks-twitter-silence-to-heap-praise-on-beaten-boxer-conlan-36336221.html

be vigilant? Is that a thinly-veiled threat?

NollagShona · 28-01-2018 10:16pm

pac_man wrote: »

Is that the best you can come up with, an article about his brother. Part of the link that you just posted.

Step back, still involved. He's in MTK, Kinahan's founded MGM/MTK putting a new cover on does not change the foundations

Morrison J · 28-01-2018 10:32pm

Did you start telling yourself the McGuigan's "offloaded" Frampton once you saw him sign for MTK as well?

Hate the MTK fighters if you feel that strongly about it but at least try having some objectivity when doing so. Zero chance Shakur Stevenson is a better candidate to be Top Rank's cash cow and zero chance Robles offloaded Conlan.

NollagShona · 28-01-2018 10:50pm

Morrison J wrote: »

Did you start telling yourself the McGuigan's "offloaded" Frampton once you saw him sign for MTK as well?

Hate the MTK fighters if you feel that strongly about it but at least try having some objectivity when doing so. Zero chance Shakur Stevenson is a better candidate to be Top Rank's cash cow and zero chance Robles offloaded Conlan.

Time will tell.

NollagShona · 28-01-2018 10:51pm

Morrison J wrote: »

Did you start telling yourself the McGuigan's "offloaded" Frampton once you saw him sign for MTK as well?

Hate the MTK fighters if you feel that strongly about it but at least try having some objectivity when doing so. Zero chance Shakur Stevenson is a better candidate to be Top Rank's cash cow and zero chance Robles offloaded Conlan.

Frampton thought he was better than he was. Same with Jamie Conlan

Morrison J · 28-01-2018 10:53pm

NollagShona wrote: »

Frampton thought he was better than he was. Same with Jamie Conlan

Where do you come up with this ****?

NollagShona · 28-01-2018 11:13pm

Jamie was whinging about not getting a title shot etc, got one- got schooled

Morrison J · 28-01-2018 11:24pm

NollagShona wrote: »

Jamie was whinging about not getting a title shot etc, got one- got schooled

I'd love a link that quotes him whinging but I'm pretty confident that just didn't happen. He's always come nothing short of very humble to me. Very likeable guy.

And what about Frampton? Is he suddenly no good now he's signed with MTK? He's clearly world class and a class act outside the ring also. Got beaten by another world class fighter in Santa Cruz. No big deal there.

NollagShona · 29-01-2018 12:18am

pac_man wrote: »

When was he whinging? That's the first I've heard of that.

He was claiming he was 5th in the world not getting World title fights- when he went off to FW we know what happened

NollagShona · 29-01-2018 8:38am

pac_man wrote: »

Can you direct me towards this "whinging" that you're talking about or is this just nonsense that you've made up?

On Michael’s twitter feed at the time

Morrison J · 10-04-2019 2:27pm

Conlan moving down to super bantam. Same thing Booth did with Andy Lee when he got him to cut down to 154. Would imagine the aim is to get the Dogboe/Navarette winner next year given they're with Top Rank.

http://www.irish-boxing.com/mick-conlan-to-change-weight-and-take-world-title-shortcut/

walshb · 02-06-2023 10:47am

Bump: Not sure post 1 aged too well. Sorry, Morrison me old sparring partner!😀

Morrison J · 03-06-2023 5:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120669430#Comment_120669430

Haha was waiting for this. Feel for Conlan to be fair. Top Rank couldn't have done more for him in terms of building him and giving him the right opportunities but his style just hasn't translated to the pros. Will hold my hands up on this one!

Bobby Baccala · 05-06-2023 11:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120674324#Comment_120674324

I had as high hopes for him as anybody but his lack of power and resistance to make things into a scrap cost him dearly in his title fights imo. Skills wise I still think he had more than enough to be a world champion, doesn’t seem to have the boxing brain or the chin for it though unfortunately.

walshb · 06-06-2023 3:15pm

World champion these days is just a label. He could be a WC should he get a shot against a weak WC. But against proper quality he has very little chance in my view because he’s just not that good a pro.

just on the skills: what skills? He has ok feet, ok movement and a decent inside game. I can’t get past a B- type overall rating for him.

skills can be quite subjective and vague without proper analysis.

walshb · 02-08-2023 5:29pm

Conlan and Booth “amicably” part ways. He’s not blaming or pointing fingers (he said several times). Hardly blame Booth for a weetabix chin

walshb · 03-12-2023 8:49pm

Who will Mick’s next trainer be?🤪

Michael Conlan Pro Debut

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