Supporting craft breweries

It is a completely different thing, and you are being disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

First & foremost: Beoir is calling for an amendment to EU Regulation 1169/2011. It's an EU Regulation. Any change would apply to ALL EU member states.

The thing we're arguing over here is an Ireland only law which impacts the sale of alcohol in Ireland only.

I speak for myself but might echo some of the sentiment on here in general. I love food and drink and trying new things and new combinations. I have my favourite craft beers and breweries but if there's someting new out there I'll give it a whirl. I'm not drinking to get out of my bin and subconsciously rate beers on level of drunkenness and how mouldy if any I feel the following day. Primarilly though I like to find good beer that tastes good and is better than others I've had. Generally I'll have one or two at the most watching a movie at the weekend or, if I get a new shipment, my curiosity will win out so I'll choose the smallest bottle or can with the least ABV for a quick road test if it's a school night. My point in all of this is that I know I'm taking on additional calories. I think if I was seriously looking to downsize I'd just stay off the beer as much as possible. I know balance is key and I have no issue in displaying calorific values if it's an EU wide thing but I think it's the wrong approach for what they're presumably trying to solve.

I get it, beer is fundamentally unhealthy if it's abused. Empty calories and all that. We all know this but it hasn't really solved the health issue. Saying a pint of Guinness has 240kCal isn't going to stop Johnny heading to the pub every evening and knocking back 4 or 5 like he's been doing for the last 20 years. Similarly a crod of lads out for a match or a get together aren't going to be that botherd either. Indeed, from what I've read here, the bar doesn't even have to display any of this.

I would agree with calorific values if bars and entertainment establishments had also to follow suit but given the hubub over price lists, I can't see that happening quietly. I don't even know if they display price lists these days. What this boils down to thogh is more stupid restrictions designed to drive people from off-licences and online alcohol shopping back into the pubs and I'm sorry but there is no way I'm abandoning my nice home setup to trek to the nearest craft place and pay over the top prices for something I could buy more cheaply online. Dont' get me wrong, those bars have their place and I enjoy them as well but there has to be a bit of realism here. The fact that this is actully passed into law at this point is shameful. There should have been a chance for input from citizens and interested groups in drafting this.

I'm sorry, I honestly don't get your logic. How on earth is having nutritional info and ingredients on a beer (or wine, or spirits) label designed to stop you going to an offie or online and buying what you want?! It isn't!

🙄 I'm grand, thanks.

There. Happy now?

You quoted my reply to squonk and took objection to it.

I modified that reply in response to your objection.

Are all of the GBB pubs selling Diageo and/or Heineken stuff now? I've seen Guinness taps now in the Beer Temple and Brewdock, and Heineken in the Gasworks.

Yeah, amazingly I've only ever managed to grace its doors once, ever, and that was earlier this year a after a wedding in the nearby civil registration office. I've passed it on match days, though, and very much a Heineken vibe to be seen.

We have equal macro/craft taps. It's great for people who want to drink craft but want to go out with their friends who don't like craft! You can get decent craft lagers that will placate a Heineken drinker but trying to get a lad who drinks Guinness to switch to craft!

In fairness, the Wickham Tap copped on straight away and got a Guinness tap in after two weeks!

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If craft houses offer a tap to Diageo, maybe it'll stop Diageo trying to oust craft taps from regular pubs? One can hope, anyway!

Good news on Underdog, looking forward to it.