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A global recession is on the horizon - please read OP for mod warning

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,159 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Must be why the US had to increase its debt ceiling or default. Print that money baby.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,512 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    Irish business are also doing well with little signs of people cutting back on discretionary spending. Restaurants and pubs full, airport parking full etc. multinationals aren’t the only employers and we have full employment



  • Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭Fine Day


    Alot of these Irish businesses are thriving on the back of the Multinationals both direct and indirect.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    As usual, Timey doesn't have a clue.

    QE was always going to lead to inflation once the "growth" it created ran out of legs, then they doubled down at the worst possible moment in 2020. But I guess they had no choice at that point.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Just a bit of bad timing i suppose but 42% of US debt matures in 2023/24, then add in $1 trillion of new bills over the next 6 months for the treasury.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,512 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    Lol says the man that predicted total collapse due to off balance sheet derivatives and denied that it related to the settlement of forward fx when the paper he was Quoting was 100% about fx settlement..When pointed out rather admit he was wrong he pulls the I have inside information that I can’t share.

    come to think about it your inside information never came to light or is that due any day.

    With regards QE and inflation what I am saying is well documented in numerous papers over the years but I suppose we can ignore those because you know something no one else knows but can’t share due to it being inside information.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    cb's knew exactly what they were doing with qe, they knew it was only truly gonna benefit asset markets, and ultimately asset owners, we truly do reap......



  • Registered Users Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Relax brah


    Let’s not stand on ceremony here



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭brickster69


    US cardboard box demand keeps falling.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Very good indicator of where things are headed. Hard to see mass layoff recession like the post tiger depression, I think we will see a period of technical recessions with low growth coupled with stubborn inflation much like the stagflationary era of the late 70s early 80s. Sad thing about this is the working class are the ones that get hammered and with the social divides, information, media, trust in governments, trust in globalists, trust in the EU so fragile and sceptic at the minute we could see serious political and social divides/unrest if this turns into a prolonged period.

    The GFC in Ireland was immediate death by the guillotine, this could be more like death by a thousand cuts



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭brickster69


    First one hit's the bank one day later, just another $15 billion interest to add to the yearly debt payments.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,827 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "Been talking about it for a year, where is it?" "There isn't one!" /thread

    Economists reversing course on recession fears | CBS News



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,862 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    They should've been required to specify a year in the thread title 😁

    The Dublin Airport cap is damaging the economy of Ireland as a whole, and must be scrapped forthwith.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The thing about the horizon is that you never reach it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The Eurozone is in a recession by the smallest margin, mainly due to Germany estimating it's figures and then having to revise them downwards.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,862 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Is there a point to these endless non-news dumps?

    The Dublin Airport cap is damaging the economy of Ireland as a whole, and must be scrapped forthwith.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Well doesn't his/her latest post show that that Eurozone is now in a recession. Sorry what was the name of this particular thread :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭brickster69


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭brickster69


    What a contrarian view to take from the Swiss.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭brickster69


    A couple more interest rises to come at least in the UK. Besides having unsustainable debt it's difficult to put your finger on what the G7 & EU countries did in 2022 that the rest of the world never.



    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "A *global* recession is on the horizon"

    Why do you enjoy lying?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Th US are also in recession so it could well be the start of it and where did I lie?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The apocalyptic original post, in May 2022:

    "If you've been paying any attention, you'll know that COVID played havoc with the world economy and we're about to see even worse as a result of the Ukraine war and the Chinese Zero COVID policy.

    Russia is one of the world's top exporters of several utterly crucial things: oil, natural gas, wheat, cooking oil, fertilizer, pesticides/herbicides, copper, platinum group metals, timber, and iron ore are just a few of the headlines. Russia will be exporting severely reduced amounts of all of those things this year. Ukraine is the world's 5th largest exporter of wheat and a major exporter of cooking oil and fertilizer.

    The world is going to experience major energy and food shortages by the end of 2022, shortages the likes of which we haven't seen in several decades. There will be famine in poorer countries and much heightened food prices in rich countries. Agricultural output the world over will also decrease, because many countries, Brazil sticks out as a major one here (the world's #2 exporter of food), since they're extremely reliant on outside inputs to keep the food growing. Their farmland, while there is a lot of it, sucks and they need loads of fertilizer/pesticide/herbicide (among other things, like compounds to adjust the pH of their farmland) that they won't have enough of for a while.

    Energy-wise, the world is going to see $100+/barrel prices (up from around $70 for most of the 2010s) for the foreseeable future. When you remember that the price of energy affects the price and amount produced of every other good and service you'll see why that's important.

    On top of that, China has locked down several of the world's most productive cities. It's exports are already way down and probably won't get back to normal....ever. They're having loads of other problems (housing market has been tanking for almost a year now, household debt is higher than it's ever been, equity markets are less stable than they've ever been, unemployment is at an all time high, etc.) that will probably depress their economy for...again probably ever.

    Depending on where you live, things are going to get pretty rough by the end of this year.

    What are your thoughts?"

    My thoughts are this was a load of reactionary waffle designed to scare people into thinking the end was nigh. Others jumped on and have been beating that drum ever since.

    Instead what we've seen is a mild recession brought on by inflation and anticipation of rising rates affecting demand. A couple of bank's failed and got absorbed.

    The apocalypse didn't come. Not last year. Not this year. But keep on pushing that horizon out, we'll get there eventually.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...yup, when rates rise, asset prices tend to fall, and again, its private debt thats the real problem, and not public debt, as generally, this private debt/credit has been used to inflate the prices of those assets, which all in turn, tends to destabilize the financial institutions that lent the debt/credit in the first place!



  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭TinaTiernan


    Is the drop in GDP relative to the inflation rate or is it absolute?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What you're talking about is Nominal GDP Vs Real GDP. The latter is inflation adjusted and is the most common metric reported.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Not a lot to say really.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    German figures are woeful as well.


    When did the idea of a global recession become apocalyptic?


    Even the idea of recession wasn't as terrifying as it has become in the last 20 years.


    Which is a lot of the cause of the current problems.



  • Registered Users Posts: 992 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    From the only account worth following on twitter...nearly there?




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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭brickster69


    And the Dutch, a big reversal considering it was +5% a year ago.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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