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WWDC : iOS17, WatchOS 10 and more

  • 29-05-2023 4:09pm
    #1
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 3,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeloe


    So who's excited for next Tuesday?

    I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do with the AOD display with iOS17, it's a small bit lacking at the minute.



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  • Interesting to see if the iphone 8 will get ios 17. Quite a bit of conflicting news on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,286 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Same as. Still clinging on to an iPhone 8 Plus here so am curious how much longer I can get out of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,572 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    But if the iPhone 8 doesn't get iOS17 your phone will still work?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,286 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Still works of course but I wouldn't want to keep using it if no longer receiving security updates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 708 ✭✭✭PaulT21


    As a long term  Fanboy, 😳 I am really disappointed in the small incremental changes which are happening recently with Apple Hardware and Software (IOS, WatchOS and MacOS) I think  have lost their way a bit. That's just a personal opinion though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,685 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    You're not alone in your thoughts.

    Just look at the last innovative IPhone which was the X.

    Where as you have the likes of Samsung with the foldable phones, at least they're trying to be innovative.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,168 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The iPhone stopped being truly innovative a long time ago, because they ran out of things you can put in a phone that a lot of people really want, without making the price absurd. We're at the stage now where things like the Dynamic Island are marketed as amazing new things. It's why, over the past number of years, there's been so much focus on making the camera better, cause it's another thing that's easily marketable. In fairness, the camera is amazing, but camera improvements are iterative rather than transformational.

    it's also why, again over the past few years, they've spent so much time talking about the spec of the phones rather than great new usage scenarios.

    In fairness to Apple though it's a trend across the whole smart phone market, it's not like Samsung are throwing out anything amazing. Foldable phones are a gimmick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,572 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Been hearing these complaints for years now about incremental updates and lack of innovation and I think it's a ridiculous complaint.

    What are people expecting?

    Radical changes arrive with new products like the original iPhone and it's fist few iterations up to iPhone 4.

    After that it's all incremental. The few changes each year , particularly in software add up over time leading to iphone 13 being a totally different phone in terms of software and hardware when compared to iphone 7 or 8 which is not really that long ago.

    As mentioned above it's not just Apple who work this way and to say they lack innovation or lost their way is just crazy in my opinion.

    You can say the same about any industry. Before the onset of electric cars, hadn't all cars across all brands just had incremental changes each year?

    But compare a 1960s car to one from 2000 and you will see radically different tech such as ABS, airbags, seatbelts, car radios, on board computers, heating, remote keys, heated seats etc but they were all just introduced incrementally and not seeing as major breakthroughs when introdu cd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,384 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Big sell from Tim Cook at the very start.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,682 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    I really dislike these pre-recorded keynotes. They are too rehearsed. The enunciation and hand movements of the presenters are almost robotic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,384 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    $1299 for a new 15” Mac book air.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,384 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Here’s iOS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,384 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Well that’s a good idea with check in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,227 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Very disappointed for iOS 17



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,227 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Has the price gone up on 14 pro? 😯




  • Administrators Posts: 54,168 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I like the call picture thing, and voicemail for Facetime.

    The iMessage features are cool, it's just a pity absolutely nobody uses it. I say it every year, Apple are missing a trick not making it cross platform, I reckon a ton of people would jump ship from Whatsapp to the first viable, feature-rich alternative.



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  • Administrators Posts: 54,168 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Yea it's not as interesting to watch. The lack of any audience, it is like a really long TV ad.

    The "one more thing" bit was so flat because of it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 488 ✭✭Metalpanic


    It looked like Craig was in a competition to see how wide a stance you could pull off while filming!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,572 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Not since this yet but over the last few years preferred the recorded pitches as they're straight to the point and you don't have bad demos or silly people hooting and hollering in the crowd.

    Anyhow I see iOS didn't get as many updates as rumoured, things like Control Centre were supposed to get an update. Big things seems to be the VR headset that none of us will buy!



  • Administrators Posts: 54,168 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The VR headset looks amazing, I will be seriously tempted when they come out, looks like it could be a great companion to my MBP.

    But it's going to be silly money here. And they also are releasing it US only, with more countries to come later in 2024. It could be 2025 before you can get it in Ireland!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,682 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    I am excited about the immersive potential of this and other VR devices, especially for gaming, but not so sure about the augmented reality stuff. The EyeSight display (making your eyes visible to people nearby), the CGI model of your face used for video calls and the various other efforts to keep the user connected to the people around them - without looking like a dork wearing a ski mask - are well intentioned but I suspect a waste of time. I just don't see how augmented reality devices in this form can avoid appearing anything other than extremely creepy or rude to others. This is the big hurdle Apple needs to get over for a non-gaming device like this to be a success and I am not sure they going to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,286 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I noticed my iPhone 8 Plus now has a Beta Updates option which gives three options. Off, iOS 16 Developer Beta and iOS 17 Developer Beta. The iOS 16 option offers me iOS 16.6 while 17 offers nothing, as expected.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 3,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeloe


    No, same price as launch, 1619 for a 256 14 Pro Max



  • Registered Users Posts: 488 ✭✭Metalpanic


    I have been running it for a day now. It's as good a Beta 1 as I have seen from Apple. Any bugs are very small, Safari jumping around a bit is the worst I have seen so far.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,572 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Yes, I'd expect it to be anything from €3.5k to €4k here so I won't be getting one. It's going to be quite niche and a few years yet before these become mainstream.

    Maybe I'll get the Vision SE when it comes out in about 5 years time😀

    If they have said "other countries later in 2024" then I'd expect Ireland to be included in that as Ireland is definitely getting the products quicker than it used to.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,550 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    I don't like the name Vision Pro and two hours battery life isn't much.

    That said, I can see the headset having potential health and therapeutic benefits down the road, maybe in later versions.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,168 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Two hours battery life is fairly garbage, but since the battery is external perhaps they'll release better batteries in future.

    That said, I think the device is clearly designed to be used at home or at the office, therefore plugged in. The mobility aspect is a bit niche. Using it for entertainment while travelling is really the only scenario that's pretty much unworkable at 2 hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,297 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I’d imagine the battery capacity was just the usual trade-off between portability and performance. They could’ve made the battery larger, but then… extra weight, and from what I gather the headset is weighty enough already, being made of mostly aluminium rather than plastic. It’ll sell like hotcakes in any case, very much like the Ultra watch. I can’t think of any use cases I’d have for it, but I’ve no doubt the adult entertainment industry has spotted something of a growth market opportunity!

    Aside from that, I think people may have been expecting too much of iOS 17. At this stage it seems to be very much the hardware is selling devices, and Apple are struggling to come up with new features. The two things I didn’t expect were like a call back to the early 2000’s with the night-stand clock, and the predictive sentence messaging. I had the night-stand feature on the Nokia N95, and the predictive sentence messaging feature on the Motorola Razr V3x, neither of which had anything like the processing capabilities of iPhones in recent years.

    I’ve never seen so much being made of a journaling app either. There must be dozens of them in the App Store, it hardly merits a mention, let alone as a feature of a new operating system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed


    TV OS17 now lets vpn providers have their own app just like on IOS and Mac OS now , very useful



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Just watched the section of the WWDC event about AppleVision Pro.

    I’m eager to see what watching series and movies on it is like but it doesn’t look like these have been designed to work with AirPods Max.

    Post edited by Spon Farmer on


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  • Administrators Posts: 54,168 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Vision Pro reviews dropping today. Very much a mixed bag.

    The field of view is apparently much smaller than Apple had portrayed, much smaller than other headsets. The screen on the front is apparently very difficult to see due to the highly reflective glass (i.e. the question is whether it's a pointless gimmick doing nothing other than adding cost).

    The FaceTime persona thing is nowhere near as good as they portrayed either, like there was a woman with long her but when she moved her face her hair didn't really move, it just looked a bit silly. Like I don't think there's any way you'd have calls like this.

    The displays are apparently excellent, field of view issues aside, some issues with video pass through in low light.

    Hooking it up to your Mac to use as a Mac screen only gives you a single 1440 screen. You can't have more than 1 and you can't do 4k.

    I was really interested in this but I think I'm gonna pass until future versions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,584 ✭✭✭✭Creamy Goodness


    Seem very reminiscent of the watch launch. let's throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. Remember Digital Touch and sending heart beats to people. remember watch App Store? They're a distant memory from 8-10 years ago.

    Vision Pro looks similar, interesting tech but I feel like some of it will not get utilised and will be axed like the digital personas and the external screen.

    I'd probably take a punt at one at around 2000 euro mark but that might not ever be doable or a long way away.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,168 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Yea it's like the Watch, but there's a big difference between something that costs 400 and something that costs 4000.

    I'm really disappointed in the FOV and the limitations when connecting to a Mac in particular.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,297 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Initial reviews mention the one concern I had which was the weight of the device. I did imagine Apple’s engineering teams would be able to balance the headset in such a way that it would feel weightless, but the alternative headband has it’s own issues.

    Technically it’s a marvellous device and I could see myself using it for short spells. I think that’s good enough as it wouldn’t be good to wear it for long periods. One reviewer already was wearing it for five hours!

    I like it, but I hope the next generation has better ergonomics.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,168 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The Verge review mentions that the weight doesn't seem to be distributed at all, it's just all there on your face. The headband doesn't seem to alleviate the feeling of lots of weight on your face.



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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 3,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeloe


    Watched iJustines review last night and have to say i was a little underwhelmed, even tho she seemed excited to be using it, but she generally is, she nearly explodes every time she tries a new watch band.

    I had high hopes for this, and almost had it justified to myself that i was going to purchase, but i don't think i will until things drastically improve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭Doodah7


    I think this product is going to bomb and bomb hard. Heavy, clunky and isolating. Such a waste of Apple's resources. It will only ever be a niche product.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,572 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    I think you've got it wrong. This product may not be a huge success financially but it's Gen 1 and imagine when Gen 8 or 10 would be. I think the future is items like this and they'll become more mainstream when they become smaller, more wearable, less intrusive and isolating and last all day. We could all be doing our day to day computing and media consumption on products like this is the future and Apple are only getting started.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,168 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    It won't matter how small or wearable they become, so long as they rely on passthrough video they'll struggle for mass adoption.

    The issue with this isn't it's size or how it looks, it's that technically it's not as impressive as Apple's marketing had us believe as it suffers from the same limitations as other much cheaper headsets.

    I think that lad Marques Brownless summed it up fairly well, it's tomorrow's ideas but it's today's tech.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,572 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Yes, that's exactly what I said, tomorrow's ideas and eventually these devices will have tomorrow's tech and Apple are getting prepared for it.

    I wouldn't go near this product, Gen 1, too big too heavy, and far too expensive and I don't see the point but they will change in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭Doodah7


    Apple will treat the Vision Pro like the Homepod if, by at most the third iteration, it has not garnered mainstream appeal. Which, in my opinion, it never will.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,168 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I think the big problem they have with this compared to say the Watch which didn't have a clear appeal initially is that in order for this to become very successful they will need to simultaneously make it a lot better while also making it a lot cheaper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,572 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Not normally a fan of Casey Neistat but enjoyed this video and to me it shows how this product is only the start and those on here saying that the product will fail just don't get it as this is only going to get better in the future.



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