Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Concerned locals? From the business park? How many other people are living in unused offices there? 🙄

But that is clearly a housing problem. We know we have a housing crisis in this country which the government are doing nothing about.

Asylum seekers are not the cause of this issue and for the most part are being houses in unused buildings, office buildings, old barracks & schools, hotels etc

But how can these asylum numbers be 'managed'? Deport genuine refugees straight back out of the country after they have arrived in Ireland? Passing some law that that states that 'Ireland is full and cannot take any more people' would be next to meaningless, as well as being totally unworkable.

https://www.businesspost.ie/news/ogorman-claims-most-people-are-supportive-of-refugees-despite-pressures-on-system/

He is deluded

So like a Visa?

The fact that these modular homes, and plans for many more, are going straight to refugees, is blatantly skipping housing lists. I'd bet there are many Irish people on waiting list with many years would love one.

I really don't understand how housing a refugee in a modular home (which have specs like regular housing) can trump those on housing lists that are waiting a long time.

Quick question. Whats the situation with refugees staying in hotels now? Are they now paying for meals, allowed work if Ukrainian and still remain in said hotels?

I think the issue remains that it is extremely difficult to 'control' flows of asylum seekers. Let's say you set a legal cap of 10k asylum seekers for a given year. But what do you do when asylum seeker #10,001 (who may well be a genuine refugee fleeing oppression) arrives at Dublin Airport or Rosslare?

The UK have run into huge problems with their 'Stop the Boats' malarkey. They appear to be under the impression that the best way to deal with the refugee problem is not to deal with it at all.

No travel docs even though you had them two hours ago = instant refusal, onto plane within 24hrs/1 week, forced deportation - by that I mean accompanied to the aircraft seat.

Have travel docs, but from safe country = process claim, refuse claim, deport within a week.

There's a new EU entry system (entry/exit) that'll keep document info and biometrics on system but Ireland isn't taking part. Destroying documents wouldn't help if we were as they'd already have everything on the system including biometrics.

It's not even because we're outside schengen as there's countries not in it that are taking part where secondary visa's could be required to move into other entry/exit countries even if you had visa free entry to the one country.

No , just give them an amnesty to stay here like mcenteee did last year. Allow them repatriate their extended family , give them full access to social welfare and social housing and see how it goes numbers wise when word spreads. I thought all countries do this- no?!!

Even though 76% don't agree and even small % have question marks.

Gas man.

But it's also incumbent on citizens to think critically about this stuff so that we can promote more realistic policy-setting. Saying that it's just the job of politicians to find solutions to everything is not a realistic way of viewing the world. Sometimes things simply are hard to deal with and dismissing this reality isn't helpful.

You say it's "encouraging chancers" and yes, it almost undoubtedly is. But what would be the discouraging measure to take? If someone arrives here and eventually becomes effectively stateless — either through no fault of their own or because of some deception — what do we do to discourage others? Stick them in a prison camp and beam footage around the world or simply engage in an endless process of putting them on planes only for them to inevitably be sent back and spending more money to be putting them on another plane ?

There might be better ways to handle it or prevent it, but it's not easy and is a problem elsewhere too.

I think reducing standards of accommodation should be one and we should build purpose built locations. I don't mean prisons, but we have really high building standards in this country, not everything needs to be to this standard. Including one within the airport for those without passports.

You would likely need accommodation both pre and post decision. Build them where is cheap, the purpose is to provide asulym, not start a new life.

Reducing processing times is an easy one. There should be a monthly update on this these days, along with an increase in staff.

Finally no benefits till at least a year of work completed. The idea of asulym visas was floated earlier and maybe conditional asulym would be one route, no criminality etc.

You are right, it's difficult to solve, especially as the government have shown zero intent to solve the issue. Indeed our current Minister/Activist went out of his way to attract more people here.

One which isn't a solution, but would help myself is more transparency overall. Show percentage working, in social housing etc, at the moment we only get one side of the narrative, and people hate being lied to

There isn't endless appeals, all appeal processes end

They just take a long time.