2023 Irish EV Sales

I agree, there's a refresh cycle that other manufacturers follow to basically try and convince people on a PCP to upgrade to the latest version when their loan is up

Tesla don't really do model years, they just change things as newer versions come out

So I'm not sure the update has any real technological leaps forward that people are going to be holding out for

We’re not talking about some random 2020 Kona, Niro, Leaf et al though - we’re talking about a car that was billed as a revolution, the one that would kill all the ‘legacy OEMs’, Tesla 10 years ahead of the others, etc etc etc.

I'm just suggesting that the sales don’t support the argument, and I dont think for a moment that Tesla will be close in the top of the sales volume charts after this refresh (the Y is only no.26 or whatever and it’s effectively brand new in Ireland).

the base white €40k M3 is arguably the best EV on the market, and yet only 83rd in the 2023 sales charts. Anyone who wants one can take delivery quite quickly, and many of those 250 deliveries this year are carry-over orders from Q4 last year, who got a boost from the Jan 14th price drop.

I guess what I’m saying is - over 7 years on from the M3 announcement, Im still waiting for the revolution ….

Last time that topic was brought up on the ID.4 thread the conversation turned to wearing thongs pretty quickly

Pretty sure I've only worn a shirt twice in the past year and most of the time I drive barefoot 😜

Toyota have 6 of the 10 best selling cars on the planet in 2023. I think it’s a bit foolhardy to say they don’t know their own business or have their head in the sand.

The Japanese customer isn’t really an EV one, and let’s be honest, the Prius was a revolutionary vehicle over 25 years ago for Toyota - they were miles ahead of the hybrid era, and only now is hybrid truly mainstream.

toyota themselves are quite vocal that the countries their volume comes from are still a long way from EVs.

The.image below is global sales of EV and PHEV. look at the % sold outside North America, Europe and China - it’s minuscule, but accounts for 65% of the worlds population.

now remove the AU/NZ market, and also all the PHEVs, and in reality Toyotas current strategy is the right one for them

toyota will change when they need to, I’ve no doubt.

@sk8board - you are not wrong in your assessment of Tesla Model 3 sales being slow. But you seem to have ignored the pretty obvious resaon behind this, put to you several times on this forum. It's very simple really. The raison d'être of the Model 3 is for Tesla to try out (and know that they would miserably fail QA) mass manufacturing a car. The fanbois (not a very nice term for what are mostly very decent people) would buy it anyway

Next phase would be the Tesla Model Y. A great value car for the masses. Excellenty built. Oh wait, do I need to prove any point? It is the best selling car in the world right now.

Until Tesla residuals firm up and pricing settles out, competitive lease deals wont be available. In the Irish market, virtually nobody in the trade wants to retail them, fix them or buy them for stock.

At over €50k the Model 3 was never going to be a big seller here, it is only recently that the price has fallen to €40k. Most of the people who have bought at the cheaper prices are still awaiting delivery.

Just priced up a popular car here in Ireland, the Skoda Octavia. Probably similar enough in size (Though the Octavia is a hatchback). One parks beside me often at work and they look similar enough size wise. Was shocked to see that a mid spec 150hp Octavia with a few extras incl Auto comes in at about €44k + delivery etc.

Just went into the configurator, added auto, artificial leather, adaptive cruise and a few other bits can't remember which. Will check it again.

Edit. It was the 2L Diesel I checked, petrol is a little less alright.

I think there has been no 40k Tesla delivered in Ireland yet.

They probably ordered before price was 40k, so this number was not stimulated by last drop. I think there is still quite a few people who ordered and do not even have delivery date.

65K? 🤔

9cm longer but much more internal space you'd imagine?