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Rory McIlroy - 4 Time Major Winner

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    He really needs something dramatic to change his fortune.. I do think change of caddy might do something for him



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭sxt


    I don't think it is too late.he just needs to make a drastic change,nothing to lose. Rory needs to play with freedom/ run like a free horse but he desperately also needs a gnarly and skilled jockey to stop him running into fences or off course for no reason when things arent going 100%. He needs both freedom and discipline. Someone who knows when to pull the reigns and prevent him from making or compounding errors and Someone to crack the whip to spur him on at the right time



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,582 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    The guy is 34, he’s not a young kid learning how to deal with the pressures of elite sport.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Tilikum17


    I did a double today with the two Holywood lads…..knowing full well who would let me down. There’s a reason he’s not won a major in 10 years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,841 ✭✭✭blackwhite



    Change of caddy won’t make a difference, his decision making isn’t the issue - it’s poor execution of shots that’s killing him, particularly wedges and shortish putts



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭Motivator


    Which is a confidence issue. Having the right caddy can work wonders for players and he needs a change. I’ve said it since day 1 of Harry Diamond caddying for him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,621 ✭✭✭DJIMI TRARORE


    That was a complete **** show from Rory,got the luck with the chip in and then missed greens from 120-140 y out,15 handicapper performance



  • Registered Users Posts: 38,527 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    A good caddy will talk to you about what what club you should hit. A good caddy will advise a player whose stronger from 140 yards than he is from 100 in to take a three wood instead of a driver etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,685 ✭✭✭coillcam


    Did anyone see the Scheffler state on on SG tee to green? He was +20 on the field. Just the third time it's happened in the shotlink era. Only Vijay Singh in 2004 was higher and Stephen Flesch the other person to record a +20.

    Scheffler's putting as -8 SG which was last in the field and he still finished one shot behind Hovland/McCarthy. Absolutely incredible. McCarthy was +11 SG with the flat stick for comparison. Someone on twitter said Scheffler made not a single putt over 8ft but I found that hard to believe.

    Delighted for Hovland. He's been showing up well this season. Hopefully he keeps for form for the ryder cup.

    Rory always gets measured by wins. If he's not winning then he's heavily criticised. If you've bagged 4 majors, been number 1 for ages plus countless other wins... I guess that's the bar, rightly or wrongly.

    His driver control and dispersion is clearly below where he'd expect to be. Although the achilles heel is those scoring distances and his putting isn't at his best. Any uptick in 2 of those stats and he's in business.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭Russman


    I really think the caddy thing is flogging a dead horse tbh. I don't doubt that sometimes in certain situations a caddy can possibly make a difference, but really, if an elite player needs the guy carrying his clubs to consistently tell him what to do, he's got bigger problems. You'd swear Harry was some hacker who didn't know one end of the club from another - he is/was an elite amateur, and at that level they're basically pros anyway. If you look at the range of different caddies and their background out there, they're all different. Happening to be friends with your player doesn't make it a bad thing. Look at how Spieth's caddy got into golf. Jason Day's caddy when he was good was his coach, and he's now doing TV. Some players have their significant other on the bag. Different players want different things, look at what a De Chambeau would want from a caddy Vs a Rory. I dunno, people say we never hear or see Harry debating with him etc., but how many caddies do we hear or see debating with their player ? Very few I think in reality.

    I mean, what's the caddy going to say to him? "...you're pretty sh1t with wedges, so take a 3 wood and leave yourself an 8 iron..." ? Any caddy doing that would be sacked before the round was over IMO. Similarly, even if he's hitting a wedge, what's he going to say ? "...don't hit it in the river..."?? FFS if a player needs to be told that, he may give it up anyway.

    I know players change caddy for various reasons, usually along the lines of wanting a change or to hear a different voice, and that's fair enough, (plus the player can't really sack himself if he's playing badly and someone must be to blame !), but I really don't buy into the myth that there's some grizzled old grumpy Scottish veteran with a half cigarette and face full of stubble out there that's going to change Rory's game. Although I have to admit, I'd slightly like to see how Billy Foster would get on with him 😀.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,582 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    He has bigger problems though.

    Like you, I am not convinced that a change of caddy will make any difference at all, doesn’t matter what the caddy says, if the player is bone headed and doesn’t want to focus on hitting the green with a wedge in his hands, then changing the caddy isn’t going to make him do it.

    On the other hand, if he feels he is stuck in a rut and wants to make a change, that’s when it gets tricky. Firing JP, though I’m sure was difficult because of what they had shared, was a different scenario to firing your best friend. So employing someone personally close to you can be both a help and a hindrance in any walk of life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭Russman


    Oh I'd agree totally about the potential pitfalls of employing a friend or relative (in anything really). I suppose Harrington and Flood are a textbook example of it working, but if I remember correctly Ronan got plenty of stick early on too.

    I thought it was interesting (and maybe I'm reading too much into nothing), when he walked off the 18th to be greeted by Nicklaus, Jack looked like he wanted to say something meaningful to him, but looked sideways and realised the cameras were on him and just said something like ".....we need to sit down and have a chat..."

    Maybe we're all wrong and he's simply falling into the age old trap of trying too hard and not letting it happen, or making perfect the enemy of good. For the life of me I can't see why he consistently sets up for fades when he clearly has trouble hitting them. I know DJ went to a fade etc, and lots of players now do (apparently because the modern drivers face is less suited to a draw), but he's a natural player and his natural shot is a draw.



  • Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    Does this PGA/LIV merger mean McIlroy has been made look a fool for criticising the players repeatedly in his role as PGA ambassador?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,582 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Certainly means he put in a huge effort to defend the PGA Tour, at considerable personal cost to friendships long standing, only for the PGA Tour to make a commercial decision in their best interest at odds with what went before.

    I wouldn’t say he looks a fool, I would say he has been made a fool of by his own tour. He must be seething.

    I wonder if he suspected something like this was happening before the Masters.



  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭zocklie


    If he didn't suspect before, he definitely did after given the break he took and the simmering down of his press conferences



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,582 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Ya, just listened to Lawrence Donegan on The Last Word, negotiations have been ongoing between the 3 tours for over 2 months, he said it was unlikely McIlroy would not have heard something was going on given his position on the Board.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    Valuable lesson learned , don't stick your neck out for your employer haha



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,582 ✭✭✭✭Dav010




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    He sure behaved like one but fair enough , my bad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,230 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Looking back now, maybe Jack's words were something to do with LIV.

    We all have our opinions on Rory, I don't think it's the caddy either. Rory isn't made up for this strong caddy type imo, he just wouldn't go there.

    For me, if I was to sit in my amateur psychologists chair and sum up Rory, it would be that he's a born entertainer, not a born winner (...when compared to the mentality of elite golfers today). He lives for the highs when he is showing everyone that's he's the best golfer out there, yet suffers the lows when he's clearly not the best golfer out there. And that can happen over the space of a hole sometimes.

    Someone who has struggled to compete at the highest level (Majors) since the game was flooded with golfers just as talented as him, but with a lot more grit, mental reliance, hunger, focus, determination to win.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 38,527 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I wonder how Rory feels about this merger. I'm disgusted by it. I don't think I'll be able to bring myself to watch any golf tournament ever again.

    This was all done secretly without discussion with PGA tour players, many of them up in arms over it.

    You can't blame honourable golfers who turned down the big money to help sportswash the image of these cretins who own that tour. They are being made to look like complete fools now.

    I'd love to see a breakaway by the majority of current PGA tour players. If they started a new tour I'd watch every tournament.

    Right now the whole game of golf stinks. Hopefully people involved in women's rights and the lgbtqia community air their concerns about this.



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    Let's stick to discussing Rory please, separate thread here on the whole merger fiasco


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    Will be very interesting to listen to his press conference today...I hope this doesn't affect his play over the next few weeks but I suspect it will



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  • Registered Users Posts: 38,527 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I'd imagine he'll be extremely busy talking to other players.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭daithi7


    Rory's game was in sparkling shape in the spring leading up to the masters.

    The masters and events off the course have clearly upset him and some of the old weaknesses in his game have reappeared a bit e.g driver control, accuracy of his wedge play and his short putting particularly.

    I don't think it's anything to do with his caddy. I think he just needs to be able to focus more on his golf and let Rory the player thrive again. Hopefully, we'll see him do this over the next 18months. He has the ability, that's for sure imho.



  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭zocklie


    He's still playing well, he's in contention nearly every week. It's not like he's finishing T50th week on week, the way some people talk you'd think he was playing like a 18 handicapper going round. Seems like a lot of people here like to hate on the guy because it's easy



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,685 ✭✭✭coillcam


    The language and tone of the press conference are pretty telling to me. PIF own golf now and once the money comes, that's it really.

    Seems like he's moved on albeit I'd imagine he's still gonna pissed off for a while. He'll have fewer distractions in pressers each week so maybe it's a bit of a release valve.

    Still incredibly sad for golf and sport overall. Maybe there'll be an uptick in performance but tbf he is the FedEx champion. Not like he's scraping a tour card.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,833 ✭✭✭Panrich


    He really can’t come out and say what he really feels because the deal is done, the PIF are very powerful and the Saudis have been shown to be vindictive.

    He did try to remove his own feelings in the press conference by referencing how golf might look 10 years down the line for tour pros but you can tell that he’s still totally pissed off. They told him that the LIV guys will not just be allowed back as if nothing happened and he emphasised that point because he doesn’t really believe it. He wants to put pressure on to keep their word.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    ‘McIlroy kept quiet until Grayson Murray, the world No 227, shouted for Monahan to resign, saying “we don’t trust you, Jay – you lied to our face”. McIlroy yelled back “just play better, Grayson”, but in a mutinous atmosphere the world No 3’s defence of Monahan apparently did not achieve unanimous approval.

    ‘Golf Channel first reported the exchange and another source has confirmed to Telegraph Sport that Murray responded by telling McIlroy to “f--- off”.’



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