Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

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So when you didn't answer my question about what mess the country is in, you meant it's modern? 🤣

One example during the Obama presidency they deported 400k people per year from America so saying the American government does nothing about

illegal immigration is wrong

ICE is a federal agency found to control immigration and deport illegal immigrants

Right now about 20 per cent of the population in Ireland is composed of non nationals

When the boom stops many people will go back to Poland or other country's they came from as they will lose their jobs as many shops and cafes will close down

Ok so you want to go back to the country of your youth? Or even...just to your youth?

And that is when things started to go real bad and since then we haven't recovered. You can argue that we have but since then just look at the State services, housing is a shambles, healthcare is crumbling, Gardaí barely keeping law and order and then we have full employment but so many of those people working are struggling to pay their bills. A poster said we had a good run for 20 - 25 years, I disagree and think we had a good run for about 10 years between 1995 and 2005 and then for 3 years after that we seen the problems with house prices and then 2008 the crash happened and since then it has been down hill.

Anyways back onto the immigration issue, for me and I would say for the 99% of the population there is nothing wrong with immigration and as others have pointed out on here it is needed to fill jobs and I don't think immigration process is the problem as most that go the immigration route will be coming with visa's to work here and probably have jobs already in companies here. The issue is the asylum process, people turning up at immigration and saying they "lost" their passport or what ever and then they are bussed off to one of these hubs where they are free to come and go as you please. I also wish people would stop throwing in the Ukrainian war as a excuse, that is an entirely different issue, those people were invited here, given PPS numbers and given supports to help them as is only right and proper. It was not their fault their country was invaded. The problem is the with as I said those turning up and then claiming they have lost their passport but can were able to get on a flight and then claiming asylum. We need to have a tighter controls on this, turn up without any documentation then they are either put on the next flight back to where they came from or sent to a holding centre till their claim is processed.

No.. when I was around in the 1970s/ 80s it was far easier as a young person to get part time work. There was no problem whatsoever finding a house to rent at a reasonable cost. HOUSE I emphasise, not a spare bed in some box room or shed. Yes, the health system wasn't as advanced but there were far more local hospitals and if you wanted a GP appointment, you'd get one within a day or so. Apart from a few months unemployed in mid 1980s, was never out of work before or since.

Ireland was Irish then and you'd know who you'd be dealing with and what to expect. No harm in some expansion of cultural horizons but we're going to end up with a mish mash of culture & society that is same across most of the western world. And that will be a great loss.

We're an island and we have the capacity to stop or greatly slow this change.

Its not really about stopping immigration, it is more about the government tightening up on the security and not what we have at the moment which looks like "Ah sure, it will be grand". Nothing more infuriating than hearing the Taoiseach say the other day that even in an asylum seeker fails in their asylum process and exhausts all avenues in that process that we say "ah sure here we give you leave to remain" and then says some makey uppy stuff about countries not accepting them back, as far as I am concerned if you fail in the asylum process then you need to leave. Also the part about leaving it up to failed asylum seekers to leave the country themselves. If an asylum seeker fails to meet the requirements for asylum and are told to leave the should made leave and not left it to themselves.

Denmark looks good at the moment. They have a government who seem to care about their citizens and social cohesion over virtue signalling.

So this article from the Times by John Mooney, their crime and security correspondent, came out on Sunday. It was their main article on the front page, and yet not a birdie about it in mainstream Irish media or on here.

Yes it's behind a paywall and due to boards rules I can't post the whole thing here, they're quite strict and apparently you're only allowed to post one paragraph from the article, so I'll leave that one in bold and put the important parts in bullet points i.e. not direct quotes in order to keep with Boards rules.

but I can quote from it. Also, on a slightly different matter, I think it's great that sites like archive.is exist.

Anyway, here's some quotes from the article.

Title: Criminals ‘milk direct provision system for cash’

Dave McInerney, a retired garda who worked in the immigration system and with ethnic minorities, urged the government to be mindful of the risks posed by such crime groups to the immigration system. “This area presents lots of opportunities to criminals, both Irish and foreign. Criminals have been exploiting weaknesses in the migrant system for years but it could get worse as the issue grows,” McInerney said. . . . .

Other key Points from the article (not direct quotes):

• Gardai believe organised criminal gangs are exploiting the immigration crisis to generate income and launder money. It's very lucrative.
• They received intelligence on one group allegedly involved in operating a direct provision centre in Leinster. Supposedly using loopholes in planning laws under emergency conditions to bypass housing regulations and convert buildings into housing asylum seekers, according to a source in Garda headquarters.
• Allegedly the Mafia in Rome are essentially co-ordinating the contracts for food and accommodation in refugee centres. Understanding that the allocation of emergency funding is open to abuse is key to explaining how they are able to do this.
• They use the same routes used for smuggling drugs and guns to traffic people.
• Our "chaotic immigration system" (Direct quote) gives wonderful opportunities for organised crime gangs to launder money as outlined above.

There's more in the same vein. Going from the comments under the article the vast majority who read this are against the current "chaotic immigration system presenting unique opportunities for for both domestic organised crime gangs and their foreign associates.

I wonder what some of our NGO adjacent commenters might say about this current state of affairs? Or will they just choose to ignore this?

Yes that was my point last evening .

Our government have not served us well and have been investing in the country on a purely capitalist and populist basis for the past 20 years . Or longer .

Some services have improved year on year (education...now why is that I wonder ?) But other services gave been funded properly in fits and starts and only when there is an outcry .

This means they are running to catch up instead of adding every year in a sustained way . Housing main example here secondly health , thirdly disability.

It is crazy talking about rainy day funds when , eh hello , its lashing out there for many people !

Fair enough though I dont know what patriotism has got to do with emigrating or not. Working aboard is a good learning experience for many and I wouldnt insult those Irish who are living in America, Australia or elsewhere. I don't think the Brazilians are "fleeing" Brazil - they just want to learn a new language and live abroad.

When was Ireland, or indeed any European country 'monocultural'? Isn't one of the core tenets of your narrative that Ireland / the UK etc has always been multicultural and that the migration flows occurring today are nothing out of the ordinary?

Given the persistent references to the '60s, '70s and '80s, I suspect that I am significantly younger than most posters here, including yourself. I started studying in Dublin in the the early 00s. The city was by no means 'monocultural' back then. In fact, my year in UCD was comprised of many nationalities. However, what is extraordinary today is the relative scale of inward migration to this country.

We're touching on 100K refugees arriving from Ukraine in the last 15/16 months. The count of non-Ukrainian IPAs has exploded to unprecedented numbers, in large part due to a wildly naive minister / ideologue who issued a commit hither beacon call via localized tweets. The number of language students, primarily from Brazil, is enormous. The Brazilian embassy estimates that there are up to 80K Brazilians in Ireland at any given moment in time. The volume of immigrants from the Indian sub-continent has sky-rocketed in recent years.

Are you truly suggesting that air travel wasn't cheap or common place 10, 15, 20 years ago? How can you keep a straight face attributing the extraordinary demographic change that Ireland is currently experiencing to 'air travel'? You've made some outlandish claims on threads of this nature in the past. You've just outdone yourself. Congrats!

Yes indeed.

Monoculture, religion and dominant, bullying males have seen their last days in Ireland... Praise be 🤣

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I was just about to reply but you edited it out, fair enough.

And yes, it is a choice.

But those choices are inevitable with a more open society.