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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,177 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Probably both. But they got their OECD 15% corporate tax rate, so they can **** off.

    In any case, even using the Irish preference for the more accurate GNI* metric rather than GDP, we are still the second highest perfomer in the EU and fifth in the World.

    The only reason that doesn't translate to second / fifth wealthiest outright, is that our national reserves are low and our debt still quite high, but by 2030, all things being equal, that position will have reversed and our national wealth per capita will be up there with Norway, Singapore, Switzerland and Luxembourg.

    Hardly much credibility in playing the poor mouth then.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,954 ✭✭✭sparky42


    To be fair, that excuse pretty much lost credibility by 2000 really, certainly at this stage its just taking the p!ss, I wouldn't have been surprised if the French response wasn't just "Non!", but also "but we can sell you all the bits you need..." TBH I think that's where his article basically falls down when hes floating some other arrangement with maybe the Nordics, everyone else in Europe is taking the threat seriously, pretty much everyone else is increasing spending by meaningful amounts and creating or recreating capabilities, us bumming along and asking everyone else to do it for us while refusing to invest any measurable amount (and even LoA2 isn't meaningful) is going to go down "poorly".

    Something again Leinster House seems to be fooling themselves about.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    When it comes to the french they are not afraid to do deals to sell gear, Just look at the amount new Renault Trucks on the road, the french will find a payment soluton for anyone



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,954 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Would you blame them? Plenty of the EU nations want to sell us equipment and would love us to be able to mind ourselves a bit more, we are the ones who couldn't be bothered cause of some BS myth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    When you combine this with the earlier article in the Times, and the fact an irish company has a maintenance contract on the RAF A400s, it makes the whole situation an even bigger joke. That said, if Lossie has 4 squadrons available to maintain a QRA, we do need to dig deep to find solutions in the short and medium term in the matter of air policing.

    The options are all out there, we are running out of excuses.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,177 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Renault vehicles aren't sold by the French Government. They are imported to Ireland tariff free and sold commercially to people who like the deals Renault might offer, just like Scania or Iveco or MAN or Mercedes.

    Defence sales are a whole different ballgame and have a massive political element to them, as well as procurement rules.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Renualt Trucks ( not owned by Reno) are heavily subsidised by the french government to keep the production lines. Renualt Ireland will offer you rates to buy the trucks at very good prices compare to scania is they are getting plenty of help from the french government. Its all about keeping the production lines going the same as Dassualt



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Dohvolle




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Cathal Berry mentioned it last week in the committee that it was only brought in during the crash as they had large numbers applying.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    The science behind psychometric testing is about as accurate as David Brent 's method.

    It made sense when there was a waiting list of thousands wanting to join and only a few hundred recruited. The DF managed to recruit fine before its introduction.

    It's fine if you want to find someone who likes doing long division or counting things in an office. It has no usefulness in selecting people who the military life would suit. That's what the physical test is for. The interview is enough then to establish if the potential candidate is capable of tying their own bootlaces, or dressing themselves unassisted. Those who fail at this test go on to become officer cadets.😄 (Its an NCOs joke).



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    The FCA started using the FN in the 90s and then the AUG in early 2000s. Why did they keep so many enfields for so long? Did they not sale a huge amount before to gun dealers in the USA



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    I was surprised we had as many as that left too. I guess these are the ones that were hiding in old FCA stores in recently closed barracks, that had missed the original cleanout. They might have been held on the books as the FCA sniper rifle or something. I spent a lot of time in our unt stores in the day, and we never had access to EVERYTHING in the inventory. There was always stuff being swapped between units depending on what inspection was on. The FALs were still on the racks a long time after the Steyr was introduced.

    As for the rest though, the numbers are small, and I know the condition of the brownings when they went out of use, and to be honest if their condition is anything to go by, its unsurprising nothing was sold back.

    WeaponType Quantity

    Pistol 1,714 :Anyone who had cause to use the BAP knows the state they were in. I saw one brought to competition with a cracked slide. I'm just surprised we had as many as that.

    Rifle 1,555: At least some were 303s, but some of the FALs in stores were well worn. I remember competitions where armourers failed ridles because the barrel was no longer 7.62m, but closer to 8mm.I imagine some of this number may also include certain rifles in civvy ownership that had been surrendered for a myriad of reasons.

    LMG 208 :Note LMG, not GPMG. We had 2 types of BREN in stores, the more modern of which was from the 1950s, the other was never fired, but counted every time.

    HMG 96

    20mmCannon 23 :Not specified which type. The old NS PVs used 3 types of 20mm in their service, the latter (RH202) which was already refitted to other ships since, but before that P21, 22 and 23 Used the Oerlikon, and later GAMBO 20mm cannon. that accounts for at least 12, and add to that the AML 20 cannon, of which there were at least 16

    Gun A/Tk 7 :Doesn't say what calibre. Were there still a few 90mm RCL floating around?

    Mortars 3 :Again, what calibre? Old 60mm, many failed inspection due to cracked barrels. 81mm? 120mm Brandt?

    AssortedBarrels 564 :Every LMG came with a spare barrel, as did the HMGs

    Total 4,170



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Norway just delivered its "Advice from the Chief of Defense", it's in English.

    They also attack it by way of three Levels of Ambition.

    The chapter for the first level of ambition is incredibly short and basically says "If you try to cut funding even more, there is no military advice I can give you".


    An interesting problem that I have to say I had not considered is that with the accession into NATO of Finland and Sweden, Norway needs to reconfigure itself a little bit to become an RSOI facility for NATO forces to land on the Nordic peninsula, then move eastwards. They also believe that only the nation mobilized as a whole (i.e. civilian and military working together) can achieve its goals.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    Great series of 3 podcasts on the BelTel about Irish neutrality. Part 1 was with Cathal Berry, This is part 2.....

    https://open.spotify.com/episode/74jYg8jO9B21w7gUQIRQs1



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,177 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    And that's in a Country already with 19-month compulsory service and a large reserve over twice the size of the regular forces.

    Doesn't offer much hope to the likes of us!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,954 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Why in the name of god does Paul Up Paul get to be the only opposition figure that gets the airwaves on defence. The man doesn’t have a fecking clue about any area of the topic and is just a default anti West BS merchant. He adds nothing to the topic and is never challenged.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    BATTLESHIPS!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,954 ✭✭✭sparky42


    They are grey with a gun on it… What else could it be? I mean he’s not alone in making that mistake but with him I’m fairly sure it’s intentional to make it sound somehow worse than saying an OPV or corvette or frigate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    Of course. Well done to the presenter who challenged him on some of his nonsense, but in Dail Eireann, Newstalk, Virgin Media or RTE he is given free rein to come out unchallenged with this tripe, because there are few who are informed enough to counter him



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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,177 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Tankie's naval knowledge just about extends to a game of Battleship.

    Not the electronic version obviously, that would be far too bourgeois.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    What are the media going to do when the shinners take pauls seat.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,177 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    SF wouldn't be without a few tankies theirselves.

    And the chances of all the People Before Logics losing their seats in one go is slim, so we'll still be treated to the dulcet tones of Bríd or Gino or RBB.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    I doubt it. They capture the "protest vote" fringe, and there are far more radical candidates coming along. Many are very pissed that PBP refused to seek agreement with the parties of the left to form a Govt, after the 2020 election when the numbers were there. DL is a champagne socialist constituency for the most part. RBB topped the poll last time, one of the few not to return a SF candidate. All the predictions say that may not be the case next time round. He was the only returning candidate to that constituency, the rest were all newbies.

    Popup Paul scraped through on transfers, having only secured the fifth largest first preference votes, and getting elected at the 8th count, relying on the votes from his eliminated PBP buddy, and the SD candidate. Meanwhile the SF candidate took double the quota and was elected on first preferences alone.

    Brid Smith is in one of the more radical constituencies, Where Again SF topped the poll, pulling more than double the quota with first preference votes, and returning A green and another Independent. They can't use the "FFG" excuse there.

    Gino and his tankie nonsense is fooling nobody. He was the only sitting PBP td to almost lose his seat in 2020. One of the few constituencies to elect 2 SF TDs, while also previously being the Constituency of Mary Harney. However since then the demographic has changed dramatically, as the leafy rural Semi-ds that once filled the area have been replaced by huge housing estates in towns like Saggart, Rathcoole and Newcastle becoming it the last commuter towns within county Dublin.. The difference driving thru Newcastle 10 years ago and today is astounding. Not really places that would be keen on his attempts to legalise cannabis.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    Documents reveal divisions between Dept and military on how to handle abuse claims (thejournal.ie)

    Every step we take, we seem to be confronted with the DoD putting barriers in the way of any progress.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,177 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    They are right in this case.

    The first IMG stood up in 2002 and where are we now? No further. Perhaps even worse off.

    The brass wanting to persist with a mechanism which has quite obviously failed, is literal madness.

    It needs a Tribunal of Inquiry into the historical stuff and then, with a clean sheet, application of an external template implemented by HR specialists, before returning normal operation of the new process to the DF.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    I doubt a tribunal of inquiry would achieve much as, if I recall completely, any complaints on the old system were not treated as a disciplinary matter, and as such not recorded on the culprits file.

    Unless the complainant can remember who they made the complaint to, if notes were taken, and who took them, and the outcome, if any, you are starting with a blank page.

    If area records couldn't issue me a discharge card in the 12 years since I signed off and requested same (in writing) I don't hold out much hope of there being much in the way of records for the shambolic system that was created in the early 00s following Senator Clonan's findings.

    Contrary to what you say "The Brass" wanted to continue using the IMG, which the Obmudsman for the defence forces stated was useful, as it monitored the usefulness, if any of the old system. Instead DoD got rid of the IMG quietly, and who knows what oversight, if any there was after 2014.

    And people will still blame Mellett....



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,954 ✭✭✭sparky42


    A reminder that the NS isn’t alone in suffering recruitment/retention issues, though given how small the NS of course it’s getting hit harder faster.

    https://www.navylookout.com/not-enough-sailors-another-royal-navy-personnel-crisis-is-brewing/



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,177 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    It wouldn't shock me to see some form of national service re-introduced in Britain, to cope with long term demands on leading NATO members. Obviously the likes of Germany already had in place a routine military service obligation.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,954 ✭✭✭sparky42


    I honestly can’t see the U.K. going that way, it would be political suicide for whoever brought it in.



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