Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

@Gen.Zhukov

Any links to those numbers? 1500 with no passports?

If immigrants are working and paying taxes and are not a burden on the state, a controlled increase in the population is not a bad thing. More people means extra services need to be provided, creating more jobs, and increased taxes for the exchequer. Unfortunately, our government haven't managed to provide the facilities or the services needed for the local population let alone for the rapid explosion in numbers arriving here.

Most people don't have a problem with people who come to this country if they want to contribute and integrate. The issue seems to be the lack of public services for the people already here, the ones who stayed in the tough times and didn't run off to greener pastures but built up this country through hard work, high taxes and living through difficult times with the hope that life here would be better in future. Now those people feel that things have not improved for them or their families, taxes are still high, public services are getting worse, waiting lists for GPs, dentists, hospital consultants are getting longer, people that the state should be taking proper care of like our elderly, disabled and carers are constantly pushed to the bottom or their needs are farmed out to charities, schools are still operating from pre-fabs and working people can't find affordable accommodation. The state has failed many of our citizens and more of the same seems to be the way we are heading.

Things were bleak for years after 2008 and we put up with austerity measures, cut-backs and young people leaving due to a lack of jobs. We've been told constantly that there's no money to fix the health service waiting times, to provide sufficient social housing for those that need it, to reduce taxes on workers, lower the cost of 3rd level education or take care of our disable etc etc, but yet suddenly the state can find billions to help recent arrivals. People are annoyed. It's not that they don't want to help people in need but it can't be at the expense of the needs of the existing population. Surely the primary responsibility of any state is to look after the needs of its own citizens, and then offer help and assistance to others.

So maybe control the numbers arriving. Make better used of the visa system, process and vet those who arrive without visas, return failed applicants, ensure the state is not being taken for a ride by those who want to abuse our hospitality. And before anyone pipes up about the lazy locals who get everything handed to them for free, well that is also a system that needs to be tightened up.

Workers are paying throught the nose with very high tax rates and it is galling to see any free-loader - whether home grown or recently arrived - being provided with free/subsidised housing, medical cards and other social benefits, while the people paying for it now, and those who paid in the past, all feel they are being taken for fools. And that doesn't mean they are right wing fascists, or anti-immigration, just tax paying citizens who want their government to treat them better.

I believe the numbers are being doctored to show a downturn to try quell any decent from the rest of the population,

If you can prove it by all means do so, however I strongly suspect that you won't be able to.

And last year

Many, many hugs needed

Haha.

I don't agree with all of what you say, but I love the way you say it GZ! 😁

Those 'passports' may have been fake ones though. Many asylum seekers don't even possess a passport, so the thing they were ripping up might not even have been a genuine document.

But remember they spent tens of thousands getting here with no paper work and refusing to say where they actually came from so they can't ever be deported,

1500 deportations in the last 20 + year's like you would have a better chance of winning the lottery than you have a chance of getting deported from here

But ripping up a fake passport does not necessarily mean they are not a genuine refugee - international refugee law says absolutely nothing about a refugee needing to have valid ID on them when they claim asylum.

Such a person might or might not be a genuine refugee....the ripping up of a document (that could easily be a fake) doesn't really prove anything, one way or the other.

Your talking about forced deportations. An extremely costly and last resort.

Most deportation orders are acted in and don't require forced deportations.

Genuine people do not rip up genuine travel documents.

Bogus asylum-seekers with something to hide, they may have a reason to destroy travel documents.

Have you links to people sourcing fake passports?

Have you links to reports of asylum seekers not possessing a passport and why?

If they are fleeing and get into a safe country with a fake passport why aren't they seeking refuge?

Why are they getting on another plane to a small country and ripping up the passport on the way?

If they are genuine then why would they rip it up?

Those links have been posted numerous times on the thread.

In fact I posted them previously... for you I am sure.

Do you never read anything that is posted ?

Just rant and rave at a poster trying to give you a polite answer., 🙄

Go look up the Irish Refugee Council faqs.

It answers all those questions because you are sure not listening to anything being said here so it's a pointless waste of time posting the links for you. Again!

I checked my notifications and I don't see you ever responding to me with those links.

Feel free to quote the post it should be very easy for you to find and quote.

If you sent them and I overlooked them then fair enough.

If you didn't send them then maybe you can issue an apology for being so rude.

It might be wise to remember to attack the post and not the poster in future.