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Building costs. Jan 2023

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭fliball123


    A lot of the big sites have stopped building this year as the price point with interest rates on buyng a house has priced a lot of would be buyers out of the market. There has been a huge slowdown in housing and it wont be long before these boyos are going it alone and quoting for extensions when reports like this are coming out. To say none of these were added to building extensions is nonsense I seen it myself 2 years ago I could only get one builder out to quote this year I have half a dozen.


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/arid-20111376.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    That link must be wrong as it’s from 2010.

    agree with you that they will eventually move into small scale when a slow down happens. It will be post Celtic tiger all over again. Hopefully home owners will be smart enough to go with professional companies who have experience in small residential works and not just bite at the lowest price but wishful thinking I know.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭fliball123




  • Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭WacoKid


    Contacted 5 builders in Jan via tender and got 1 quote so did not proceed. Running tender again as of last week and all 7 builders contacted pre publication advised they would quote.

    Post edited by WacoKid on


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭obi604


    What are the prices like in general, still relatively high?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭WacoKid


    Only have price from Jan which was high. Hopefully prices for latest tender come in over next 2-3 weeks.

    What I am finding is that the architect spec'ed the work to the highest standard using the best materials. I expect when I discuss pricing with a builder we will reduce some of the items such as less expensive sliding doors, remove external insulation for internal insulation etc. Only when these discussions are complete will I know the true cost of the work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 321 ✭✭kevgaa


    Thanks WacoKid,

    Just out of curiosity what was the jan price square metre and what work are you getting done? A new build or extension/retrofit. Im currently just at the planning stage so want to make sure I can afford what we submit and Jan prices will be worse case scenario I suspect..

    Regards

    Kev



  • Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭bfclancy2


    why would you replace external insulation with internal, makes no sense



  • Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭WacoKid


    Internal insulation is cheaper than an external wrap, or so I have been told.

    You may have interpreted that I have external wrap and will remove it but no. Replace external wrap on the Bill of Quantities with internal insulation instead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭bfclancy2


    architect specced external, are you going to go against that? for what reason? cost? what was the point of the architect so, builder should have no input into the spec, they will only want to build the way they are used to building not which way is best



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  • Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭WacoKid


    I agreed with architect to spec external. We may decide to remove it to save costs. Builder quotes will be an input into any decision. I don't see a problem with this approach?



  • Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭WacoKid


    Didn't get into sq.m cost as with only 1 quote I was going to wait. It is a retro fit with extension and attic conversion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 246 ✭✭purplefields


    I would absolutely reconsider this. Save money somewhere else, like kitchen or something.

    We externally insulated a (large mass concrete) old shed and the external insulation is amazing. It costs hardly anything to heat, using oil.

    With good external insulation, you can opt to go down the heat pump route at a later date. It is initially expensive, but you'll save on heating costs and it'll be very comfortable. Remember to deduct the external plastering cost as well.

    On topic - there has been a huge difference over the last few months with tradesperson availability. They are calling us now! - this is better than I remember from pre-covid times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    I had a quote last year but couldn't build due to personal reasons. I contacted the builder recently and I'd say he doesn't want the work as he told me the quote is gone up 25k! Being single and interest rates that rules me out unless I don't want to eat for the next 20 years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 255 ✭✭society4


    Has anyone got any reasonable quotes recently under 200k to renovate and 30sq m ext in south dublin ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭obi604


    regarding your on topic comment

    Great to read something like this, gives a bit of hope to joe soaps like me who are unsure about even starting to build due to the high prices

    Post edited by obi604 on


  • Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭WacoKid


    I got my planning permission, plans and Bill of Quantities in place, which carry their own not insignificant cost. I now have the flexibility to tender as many times as I like if the prices aren't great, or until I like a price. Obviously will annoy builders no end if I do and some might not re-quote, but I'm not going to force myself to go with a price from an initial tender.



  • Registered Users Posts: 321 ✭✭kevgaa


    Thanks WacoKid,

    If you read between the lines the fact the builders are now quoting when they weren't 6 months ago in January shows that the interest rates hikes etc are having an affect on supply despite the usual line for every builder I meet lately that they have plenty of work on and don't need my business. Wacokid hopefully you get a price you are happy with and can proceed but I expect some builders are still quoting high and will continue while people accept. Each yes just pushes the problem down the road for a builder for another 6 months or so..

    You would hope with competition there will be a reduction in costs but only time will tell..

    I'm at pre-planning stage and there is a number of builders sites around me (south county Dublin) that I have had chats with regularly. I have initial plans completed and a few of them have offered to cost it for me before planning so will be interesting to see what they come back with.



  • Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭WacoKid


    Yes, they say competition drives down prices so lets hope it applies to our building trade soon! Prices will be made up of labour and materials so ideally both drop off but not too hopeful.

    Depending on the cost of your build, a Bill of Quantities (BoQ) may be a good idea. The greater the costs the less likely you will have a risk appetite for ambiguity and a BoQ removes this. Quantity surveyors will tell you a large part of their business comes from only being engaged late on in a build to try and resolve issues as the agreement was not detailed enough from the outset and costs had started to spiral out of control.

    Some say a BoQ also weeds out the cowboy builders but I can't really comment on that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,148 ✭✭✭screamer


    Material prices are still rising especially timber. Rates due to rise again with the unions getting pay rise agreements for workers, so don’t expect it to get cheaper any time soon.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,776 ✭✭✭thomas 123




  • Registered Users Posts: 321 ✭✭kevgaa


    current rate are circa 3-3.5k a sq metre for extensions and 1-1.5k for retrofit so that would be

    100-150k for retrofit assuming 100 sq metres

    90-105k for the extension...

    so you are looking at circa 250K in todays market..



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,776 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    You know what I missed the renovate and but - thought it said to renovate a 30 SQM extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Damo810


    Anyone build anything similar to this lately? Thinking of leaving off the side living room so just a simple straight up two story, wondering on rough ballpark figures, based in Mayo, have my own site, no mains sewerage, getting it to builders finish.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭obi604


    I am checking in again, as things can change in weeks.

    How are general buildings costs now? up, down, same



  • Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭WacoKid


    I don't see labour costs dropping as we may be struggling bring in cheaper labour due to the cost and shortage of housing. Therefore, the demand on the existing pool may only get higher as folk may be happy to access credit easily available to them (re-mortgage, credit unions etc.). Once costs drop to a certain point there may be many waiting to jump in at this point. If this happens prices go up, and around we go again...supply and demand!



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭fliball123


    The demand has been kicked in the teeth by higher interest rates a lot of people who were looking for an extension can not afford the new loan rates so the demand on the existing pool is dwindling



  • Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭WacoKid



    Thanks, not sure this is your view or is based on data. A significant proportion of demand may come from this demographic but there may also be homeowners who have cleared, or are at an advanced stage in their mortgages, where the interest rate hikes are not so much a contributing factor to making a decision on to renovate/extend their homes.

    Honestly I don't know but I have been tendering for work since Jan and I have to still chase builders even for a quote. None are queueing up at my front door for what is a big piece of work (renovate, attic, extend).



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Its based on the dwindling construction PMIs and Construction outputs



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    You’ve been claiming it’s coming down since this thread started .Eventually you’ll be right because at some stage prices will come down but not yet.Real world prices for small scale residential works carried out by home owners are not coming down yet.



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