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Munster Team Talk Thread - New season title pending....

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    #18812
    Perks
    Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭Perks


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120669117#Comment_120669117

    Time to do what? Find his flags?

    Carbery does not aim to get his forwards to the 5m line, he always aims safe.shy.

    The odd time he hits target but generally he shows no consistency with punching with his boots.

    Don't get me wrong would love to him have a strong next 2/3 years to close out but he lacks focus and length with his line kicking.



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    #18813
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    As that interview phog posted earlier touches on, Rowntree knows what it was like to be left out of the 2003 RWC (for form reasons) and prided himself on getting back after that and playing again for England. I don't think there's a man better suited to empathise with Carbery's situation right now (whatever it is) and both Rowntree and Munster will do everything they can to get him back to his best.

    (And if the parallels fully hold, it also means Ireland win the RWC!)



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    #18814
    irelandrover
    Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120674697#Comment_120674697

    I'd definitely take our season over ulster's.

    I just don't think us actually winning the URC means we're the best team. I don't think anyone would honestly say we're a better team than leinster. And hence it doesn't answer the question if we're better than ulster.

    Saying that, I fully expect to finish ahead of ulster next year and a lot closer to leinster.



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    #18815
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120674855#Comment_120674855

    I don't think anyone would honestly say we're a better team than leinster.

    I would!

    You drive for show, you putt for dough.



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    #18816
    ulsteru20s
    Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120674780#Comment_120674780

    How beefy are you? Give me some stats.



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    #18817
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120674889#Comment_120674889

    Munsters system beat Leinsters system.

    I can see Munster beating any team Leinster throw at us next season.



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    #18818
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120675097#Comment_120675097

    Very possible.

    Winning the URC the first year under a new coach is huge, the affirmation is a great foundation to push on from. I remember when Leinster won the league under Matt O'Conner, very much felt like the start of something special.



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    #18819
    ulsteru20s
    Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    I think Munster absolutely have a system that stacks up well with how leinster play but you need more front row talent i think. Porter-sheehan-furlong when fit is just absolutely world class game changing talent.

    You might have an advantage at 10 going forward tho which is big .



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    #18820
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120675126#Comment_120675126

    Solid effort, tbf. 👏

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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    #18821
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120675168#Comment_120675168

    Better than Kitsoff, Dweeba, Malherbe?

    Because we had no issues with them...



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    #18822
    ulsteru20s
    Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120675187#Comment_120675187

    Yea, actually i’d say better. I’d def take all three leinster guys over them. Porter is close to best player in the world for me. The only thing that he is any way weak at is scrummaging and refs seem perfectly ok with him being illegal as hell there.

    I realize i might be higher on Porter than most.

    I think Salanoa has game changing talent, and Barron has taken big steps this year. I think one more ball carrying option though in front row would help.



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    #18823
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    I guess it depends on what you mean by "you need more front row talent".

    By the classic definition, where your front row are there primarily to scrummage, you could argue that our scrum could improve as a weapon, for sure, but it's more than holding its own against top scrummaging sides like Stormers. And any improvements here will come at costs elsewhere in the system.

    Under Rowntree's system, (much like Leinster and Ireland) our front row need to offer more in terms of link play, carrying, tackling and poaching. What you're arguing for, it seems, is a player more in the latter mold. And tbh, they've done such incredible work with the players they have (ARCHER OFFLOADED THE BALL IN CASE YOU MISSED THAT), I'm happy enough to wait and see how the likes of Loughman and Wycherley continue to develop.

    Don't get me wront, if we signed Ox Nche I'd of course be over the moon, but front row is nowhere near the priority I thought it was, even a few months ago.



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    #18824
    ulsteru20s
    Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120675254#Comment_120675254

    Oh yea, i could give a crap about scrummaging.

    I just think a big ball carrying hooker would add more punch to your offense. It would also take some pressure off guys like Coombes. In Ireland, it tends to be you have to sign somewhat elite NIQs but honestly even a guy like that to play the last 30 minutes would be useful.

    The Munster back 5 is shaping up to be pretty elite, so yea front row is where i could see an improvement.



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    #18825
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Pet peeve, but you know that phrase actually means you DO care about scrimmaging?



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    #18826
    ulsteru20s
    Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120675534#Comment_120675534

    lol; i guess it does.



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    #18827
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120675292#Comment_120675292

    Barron did some brilliant carries in the final. He was confused for Hodnett by the commentary team at least once, partly because of the red scrum cap but also because he was knocking defenders onto their arses.

    We may encounter problems down the depth chart if there are a spate of injuries like we had last season.



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    #18828
    aloooof
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120675962#Comment_120675962

    An aside, but I think Barron’s lineout throwing has improved a lot the last few months.



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    #18829
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 24,316 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I was watching a YouTube clip last night, after it finished it tripped over to another highlights clip and Barron gathered a ball from a lineout and initially ran parallel with the halfway line then picked his spot to break. He really has a bust of speed.

    I think it was the SF where he passed or stayed ahead of the winger in a chase back for a ball.



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    #18830
    leakyboots
    Registered Users Posts: 5,988 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    He outpaced Tommy O Brien in the semi final chasing a ball. Barron definitely has wheels once he gets going



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    #18831
    aloooof
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    He’s had a couple of chase backs too, first to the breakdown. I think he had one where he got back and got in for a jackal for ages, and Porter cleaned him. Should’ve been blown much sooner, but he was so quick getting back.



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    #18832
    jcon1913
    Registered Users Posts: 803 ✭✭✭jcon1913


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120675976#Comment_120675976

    Agreed- he has stopped the habit of taking a practice stretch just before throwing which he was penalised for a few matches back. All that s* adds up. He is well able to run over defenders when given a chance.



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    #18833
    ulsteru20s
    Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    Cork won the U20 hurling today and O Connor is officially going to play rugby it looks like.

    Its kind of funny that cork GAA has now lost two pretty promising guys to rugby while limerick hurling seems to be composed entirely of athletic monsters.



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    #18834
    50HX
    Registered Users Posts: 1,888 ✭✭✭50HX


    That would be the JP effect😀



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    #18835
    snotboogie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120677507#Comment_120677507

    They are saying on the Munster fans forum that O’Connor will be converted to a 10 in the academy.



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    #18836
    ulsteru20s
    Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120679154#Comment_120679154

    Interesting. I assumed centre from the very small amount ive seen. He is a big athletic dude.



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    #18837
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    This is both a fitting tribute to a true legend, but also a poignant reminder of what we soon stand to loose when he retires. Leadership, breakdown, grit and a nastiness that always just stays inside the line. I feel it will be one of those scenarios where we can't expect one man to replace him. But a combination of men carrying forward specific aspects of his legacy.

    https://youtu.be/HVSG7MtDONs



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    #18838
    Brief_Lives
    Registered Users Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    wow



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    #18839
    Lost Ormond
    Registered Users Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Academy confirmed

    Dylan Hicks, Shay McCarthy, Ben O’Connor, Brian Gleeson and George Hadden. all joining

    https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2023/06/07/munster-rugby-confirm-greencore-academy-squad-for-2023-24/



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    #18840
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120686866#Comment_120686866

    Interesting intake - Hadden had been rumoured to be going to Connacht previously. Hicks is very young to be straight into the academy straight out of school, so obviously they're high on him. Ben O'Connor looks very exciting from what I've heard, and I think Brian Gleeson looks like a guy who could be a 50 cap international.

    Surprised neither of the Sheahan lads made it, and then a handful of other guys like Oji, Sean Edogbo etc.



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    #18841
    snotboogie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120686866#Comment_120686866

    5 seems very low for what is a talented bunch of 19's and 20's. Danny and Jacob Sheehan can both feel pretty aggrieved having been involved with the 20's as 19's qualified. At least they'll have another shot next year. It's probably the end of the road for Oji, Buttimer and Condon in pro rugby. Josh Costello and even Sean Edogbo's chances of a pro career are hanging by a thread.



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