Sick of this country

I have a close relation who is a retired teacher, I know all the details.

The typical pension, after full service, 40yrs, is 36k approx.

They paid 6.5% of wages towards pension. The PRD was introduced in 2009, so recently retired staff paid this for a while.

Yes, they pay income tax on the pension income, although note the following typical case:

• Retired couple on 48k
• Pay under 10% direct tax
• Receive full med card and 2x travel passes
• Receive 35pm off elec bill

Yes, the post 2013 SPSPS is not as generous, correct.

Yeah, and they pay income tax on the 70%, so it's just another way to skin the same cat.

The net position for PS pensioners here, is really very good.

That's what torpedoed the last run of Metro North. Na Fianna were losing their grounds for a temporary period. The club members kicked off and Paschal intervened to get it re routed.

Only in Ireland, it would not happen in Australia or other mature western countries. Paschals intervention was parish pump politics at its finest. Another example of parish pump politics is Aodhan O'Riordan shouting for more housing and then blocking apartments in a corner of St Anne's.

The stupidity and nimbyism would drive you mad.

Problem is you cant live in a bag of coal.

If people who pay contributions toward the pension arent going to recieve it they should be refunded.

If Dept of Education would take away the free option of a career break you would see a severe halt to a lot of those teachers heading off to Dubai. No problem with them emigrating, good luck to them, but their job being held available for them for 5 years and preventing someone in Ireland from taking that permanent role is an absolute farce. You wouldn't see it in most professions.

Unions have no power to alter government changes to the pension scheme.

They weren't even consulted.

Very typical of the extreme right wing views which dominate boreds.ie

"Teachers are emigrating. . . . fcuk them - go after their career breaks. Make their terms and conditions of employment even worse." Slightly hard to do though when the minister herself is on a career break, coining it in DÉ.

The reality is . . . teachers are currently having their career break applications rejected and they're leaving anyway. They don't care whether their application for career breaks is accepted by BoM's or not.

Recently I've started noticing a separate trend. Teachers on career breaks and teaching in other countries deciding themselves they won't return to teaching in Ireland and just resigning. They've seen the grass on the other side and it's definitely greener.

As regards "You wouldn't see it in most professions?" Actually you would do - Career breaks are a mature way for a management of any entity to treat their employees. Many return to their employers with enhanced experiences/qualifications elsewhere. It is how professional managers treat their employees. Those that act to punish, in some way, their employees by refusing career breaks (which they probably availed of themselves when younger) have the brain capacity of an amoeba - either that or they're members of Fine Gael.

Can you share the data that shows most teaches only live to 65/70.

Sounds like absolute rubbish you made up.

Yep, I thought that sounded a bit weird.

I never stated an age. You have.

Information on age of passing away is fairly confidential and difficult to obtain online. This was information told to me many years back (by a person in the insurance industry) at a time when most teachers retired mid-to-late 60s . . . leaving age of death to be early to mid 70s at a time when the average age of death was 78 in Ireland (which thankfully has increased to 82 in the intervening period). Considering that teaching is one of the most stressful and intense of jobs (44% of new teachers in the UK intend to leave within 5 years) and stress is a significant cause of illnesses like cancer I do not think it would be unreasonable to consider the information I was provided with as anything other than accurate.

Unfortunaetly due to the ever increasing demands of the job many teachers are indeed retiring earlier these days . . . yet they're not retiring from work, they're retiring from teaching.

You are free, of course, entitled to go and Google the information yourself. Indeed it is the case that many are retiring from teaching earlier. That is because of the ever increasing demands of the job. But they're not retiring from work, they're retiring from teaching. Far easier ways to make a few bob post 60 years of age. A former colleague of mine (Physics/Maths teacher) is currently a chauffeur at a time when the government is calling on unqualified college students to spend more time in classrooms teaching Maths rather than in College.

I told you the person who said it to me worked in the insurance industry. I'm passing on the information here. You can take it or leave it. Call me or the information provided any name you want if it makes you feel better.

I don't think you're particularly interested in the topic anyway as you're here to score points.

There have not been 2% pay rises on average over the last 2-8 years. There were no pay rises for the ten year period from 2008-2018 only a series of pay cuts with worse terms and conditions. Indeed even this year I've taken over €3000 in pay cuts as FG froze the incremental scale some years back (for a number of years) and never restored public servants to the level they would have been at. Post 2008 austerity pay cuts with worse conditions are ongoing in the public sector.

The data you are referring to has been published for many years by the OECD.

To quote the OECD:

"Ireland has above-average teachers’ statutory salaries (starting at about USD 36 6001 ) and longer teaching hours (905 hours per year in primary education and 726 hours in secondary schools) and instruction time (about 8 200 hours)"

https://www.oecd.org/education/education-at-a-glance/EAG2019_CN_IRL.pdf

This information refers to teaching hours only and does not include millions of mandatory hours in the system for which teachers are not paid for.