Barbarity of drug pushers

Tick is the pushers modus operande , so you'll never get out from under them , a miserable life of servitude, parasites, we need sentences that deter even for the teens they use !

The whole treated with fentanal/LSD/skunk myth has propagated since the 80s. Weed is a cheap drug. At which point in the supply chain do you think somebody is going to fork money in order to have it laced with [insert hard drug]. That would essential wipe out any profit somebody had on the weed, plus remove their supply of fentanal to sell.

Slippery slope, gateways. LMFAO.

That sort of logic is pretty flakey. I guarantee if weed was removed there would be no fewer people on harder drugs. Tobacco is a much a gateway drug.

Or make it's the tea and coffee.

Well the amount of kids presenting with mental health issues from potent new strains of weed is fact , weed from the 80's and 90's wouldn't have anywhere near the thc levels of today's stuff , you can dismiss my point about it being a gateway but I guarantee you if you took a poll here on boards those who've tried class A will tell you they tried weed first !

Well I can tell I've upset the stoners, I'm waiting for the "nobody ended up in A&E from smoking a joint" , when the facts show that long term cannibas use has seriously detrimental effects on brain development, and flippant remarks about coffee are just that ! Would you advocate smoking weed to your kids ?

Can you provide some evidence that weed is causing mental health issues in kids. Seeing as its a fact. There's also more people identifying mental health issues that don't take drugs. In general mental heath identification and treatment has improved.

People having tried weed first doesn't mean weed led to class A drugs. People probably tried a cigarette before either. Are cigarette a gateway to class A? The cigarette industry has done far more harm to people than potent new strains of weed - and being more potent just means a lower dose to get high. It doesn't create some new extra plane of highness.

Still have the problem of dealers and debts. Probably more so.

Hate to think what would happen if there was little or no consequence given the current level of use and the queues outside Head Shops when they were open. Strikes me as irresponsible on the part of the Government.

Another good reason to legalise them. At least you'll know what you're buying.

Legalising doesn't mean supplying them over the counter. It just means prosecution for possession is lenient. Dealers will remain.

You can't even buy two boxes of Paracetamol in the chemist, nevermind coke.

Means you don't get prosecuted for personal use. Nobody is going to legalise the sale of hard drugs.

So the dealers remain as the source?, and people can still build up drug debts?. I don't see what legalizing actually solves

Saves court and police time I suppose and you don't get a criminal record.

I'm sure the dealers would love it though.

Decriminalizing and legalising are different.

Decriminalizing takes away police wasting time on petty users, and allows them to concentrate on dealers. The drug is still illegal, but instead of users going to jail, they would work with health workers to try and get them off the drug, and importantly, carry no criminal record so their future isn’t f*cked.

Legalizing would be like alcohol. There would be controls in place, like over 21’s, not available until a certain time, taxed etc. The police would still go after unlicensed dealers and monitor the controls put in place.

Mad if you think hard drugs are going to be sold over the counter.

a lot of the suicides in county Limerick are related to drug debts , young people who can’t pay think it’s easier kill themselves than face the wrath of the traveller gangs . It’s all brushed under the carpet as mental health issues but it all comes back to the control drug gangs have on communities . One family who buried their daughter after a suicide had a traveller gang outside their door two days after the funeral saying they were now expected to pay the debt or else they’d dig their daughters body up .

local politicians ignore the lawlessness , they only give out lotto grants once a year and ignore their constituents plight .

Cigarettes are legal but theres still a lot of cigarettes being sold by criminals. Even if the drugs were sold in shops where would the product be sourced?, you'd still be dealing with the criminals who aren't going to be paying VAT or tax undercutting legal dealers.Buyers will still be turning to crime to fund their addiction.And most importantly do we really want to increase the number of addicts in society?. I work in Dublin 8 and come accross enough zombies as it is now.

Where would we source heroin and coke?

Why would buyers turn to crime?, for the same reason they do now, to fund their habit. I doubt there are many heroin addicts holding down jobs.

Bit like this case, she'll still need to steal to pay for her habit.

Incoming President-elect of the Royal College of Psychiatrists has called for a public information campaign to be launched about the consequences to British teenagers of regularly smoking cannabis.

Great. Now ask yourself, do dealers ask for ID? Where licensed premises will have to ask for Id, and hopefully it’s over 21’s as the brain is still forming in teenage brains and they should absolutely not be taking cannabis or any other drugs for that reason (including heavy spirits)

Making it harder for youngsters to get it is one of the aims of the decriminalisation effort.

Also, being able to list the different strengths is important. At the moment, most of the weed is too strong for regular smokers. It would be like having only whiskey available. Can you imagine how many people would turn into headcases if they only had whiskey to drink? No beers, wines etc.

Decriminalising and legalising allows for proper labelling to happen. It was one of my favourite things about going to Amsterdam, perusing the menu 😂

This is the really important bit and why it needs to be legalised. There’s no reason for it to be that strong and getting stronger, except that it makes more profit for scumbag dealers.

Higher potency = less amounts needed to get high, but sold at the same price as larger quantity, weaker strains that were around in the past. It means there’s less product needed to be shipped in as well, so it’s slightly less risky.

Making it legal would introduce much, much weaker strains into society.

So ban everything - including alcohol, tobacco and caffeine (because the legal ones are dangeorous to young people too!)...?

Way to miss the post of my post!! Yes, the Government has a duty of care to its citizens. It also has to allow it certain freedoms too, otherwise anything and everything that might cause damage to a citizen will be banned.

People seem to have a knee-jerk reaction though when it comes to drugs, because, "drug are bad, mkay??" that doesn't happen with other things that can also cause health or injury problems. Legalisation, with the proper measures would actually provide a better duty of care to citizens than allowing them to remain legal, have the drug thugs rule, and people not actually knowing what they might be smoking or taking in the product they buy.

I have spent the last 25 years working in a job where I see crime daily.

I cannot quantify it properly, but purely from my observations I'm gonna guess between 75-80% of crime in this country is because of drugs. And I could see if they were legalised how we could have a massive drop in crimes.

Everything from assaults, burglaries, shoplifting, pickpockets, robberies up to murders, all as a result of illegal drugs. Take the power away from criminals and put the money spent now in the courts, prisons and on gardai to use in education, and counseling for those that need it.

Although in order for it to work properly, we would probably need worldwide consensus.

That's disingenuous in the extreme.