BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

There are Irish criminal gangs active in Europe and indeed worldwide too, should we ban Irish people from moving to other countries?

To add to this, the Dublin Regulation not only doesn't require asylum seekers to apply for refuge in the first country they arrive at; it doesn't impose any obligations on asylum seekers at all. Its object is to identify the member state responsible for handling an asylum request, and it does this by making provision about what member states may or may not do.

Even if, under the Dublin Regulation, State A is responsible for handling a particular asylum request, the regulation does not oblige the asylum seeker to apply in State A. He can, perfectly lawfully, apply in any member state. What the Dublin Regulation does is allow the member state in which he applies to transfer the application to State A.

So, those who tell you that asylum seekers are illegal, are breaking Dublin Regulation by not applying in some state other than the one they have applied in are, in effect, telling you that they have never looked at the Dublin Regulation and have no idea what it says.

Actually, the biggest part is probably revisiting the UK policies which incentivise undocumented immigration of asylum seekers.

You can't apply for asylum unless you are actually in the UK — there is no possibility of applying from overseas. But . . .

. . . if you apply for a visa to enter the UK you will be refused if they suspect that you may apply for asylum.

So, the only way to apply for asylum in the UK is to enter as an unauthorised arrival. Naturally, people who wish to seek asylum in the UK respond to this policy as you would expect; they enter as unauthorised arrivals. If you want to reduce this behaviour, the logical thing is to reconsider the policies which incentivise it.

So, for example, instead of seeking to make agreements with the French to interdict unauthorised channel crossings — tried many times before, has never worked, reasons for this are obvious — maybe make agreements with the French for the establishment of reception centres, where people can apply and be assessed without having to enter the UK?

But the UK right is heavily invested in a policy of demonisation, victim-blaming and performative cruelty; it will be psychologically difficult for them to move to rational, evidence-based policy. Plus there is political benefit to stoking fears about "invasion", and from that point of view a large volume of unauthorised arrivals is actually helpful to them.

Johnson resigns in a fit of pique.

As well Nadine Dorries a Conservative MP has resigned as well. It seem she assumed she be on the Borris's retirement honours list and when she was not she resigned her seat.

Apparently even many committed Conservatives are utterly disgusted by his honours list:

He’s still going to earn millions on the after dinner circuit and have absolutely no comeuppance for what he did. He had zero interest in being an MP. Wanted to be top dog and when that ambition was realised, he had no where else to go.

Except for his dad, who was refused a knighthood 😂

Id say that’ll make Christmas uncomfortable.

”Some PM, couldn’t even get his old dad a knighthood.”