Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Delusional. You must live in some Vatnik alternative reality. Russia is now a world wide military joke. We even have Wagner kidnapping regular army commanders.This has made them a laughing stock. Remember when it was going to be all over in 3 days 🤣

This is actually a great breakdown about the invasion prelude, and the dire state of russian equipment and tactics, and the battle of Kyiv.

NATO can’t go in because WW3 and the UN won’t go in, because it can’t, because UN security veto, so who do you propose? The Irish Defense Forces?

News is mixed this morning but it appears progress is made, but a steep price is paid with every KM taken. Fcuk Russia for forcing this.

They will need an international force to assist when the nuke station goes the same way its mined too.

Maybe using a base in Ukrainian territory or just on the border but transport links and moving civilians will require boots on the ground its a sovereign country and can't be abandon on nuke threats from a terrorist weakened Russia.

Nope. Not desperate at all, nothing to see here. Russia is mighty and has many patriots willing to fight for the motherland.

Actually there was significant opposition at the time to the wholesale massacre of civilians entailed in Bomber Command's area offensive. MPS raised the matter in Parliament. Many churchmen condemned it. They were all denounced by the top brass as lily livered traitors who dared to demean the reputations of the brave men who were carrying the fight to the enemy with great gallantry and at appalling risk etc etc. And anyway the true nature of the area offensive was always denied at the time. "Yes of course there is some risk to civilians in war time but the idea that we are deliberately targeting women and children is outrageous. We good chaps simply don't do that sort of thing!" (Don't take my word for any of this, just read Bomber Command by Max Hastings, hardly a pinko liberal himself. A former editor of the Daily Telegraph)

So if/when this counter offensive is successful and the Russians get beat back across their border, what then? Can Ukraine then invite in international partners to help secure their borders, or do they just wait for the Russians to regroup and try again in a few years? Will NATO membership be fast tracked for Ukraine?

Hard to see Russia being able to make many advances back into Ukrainian territory in this hypothetical scenario, when you consider how much of a failure their forecasted Winter offensive came to be. You say the Russians could regroup, and I wouldn't doubt that a Russia still being led by Putin would want to rebuild and attack, but the necessary timeframe for this would also be the timeframe for Ukraine to join NATO and whatever else could be done by international partners to ensure the country's territorial integrity.

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Even if they do hang on to some territory,

The Russian military is severely degraded. So It will take years to make it an effective fight force again where by it can launch an invasion. This is assuming they weed out all the corruption too, which given the regime that is in place is highly unlikely. Let's assume that all this does happen, by that time Ukraine is likely to be a NATO member and it will have the military infrastructure needed to ensure it can't be invaded again. Putin had a dim view of Gorbachev because he thought he sold Russia out and humilated mother Russisa on the world stage, well by the time this is over i think many Russians may feel the same about Putin.

One difference being that the Russian crews abandon their tanks the first chance they get, they don't want them back and have to drive them again?. In general Russian' s do not care for their vehicles, and why should they??

Say what