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Moduler homes

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,951 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I would absolutely live in one, why not?

    I know a guy that has a house built out of 5 prefabs put together, lovely place, very spacious.

    Also, a 2 bed around trendy stoneybatter would be that size and they go for big money



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,292 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    They'll gatekeep these for Ukrainians only, they don't want ordinary people to have cheap housing. The whole system is set up to ensure the vast majority of people spend many years renting and eventually take out a 300k+ mortgage. The bankers are well looked after in this country



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,673 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    €145k is a hell of a lot of money for a structure with a flat roof and a 60 year life span.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They will last as long as any conventional house but for some convoluted reason, they cant say that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,761 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    I suppose they are spending between €2k to €3.5k per month per refugee so if you were to say €2.5k average the homes will be a 'cash machine' in 5.5 years.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,010 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Are Ukrainian people not ordinary?

    What defines an ordinary person?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Yes, of course - if they were in the right location.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,836 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    I'm also curious about the price. I'd love to see a break-down of that figure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,292 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    65000 for the land, modular house, truck to bring it down, roads, services.


    100,000 for the fat fella with the big black Mercedes who commissioned the development and bartered a deal with the politicians to fill it with refugees



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,835 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Id imagine if there was forward long contracts and a decent sized order that price could be dropped ,

    But a lot is just how much things cost ..

    Id rather see that they could be stacked into 2 ,3 or 4 storey blocks , to make better use of space , and that our gov was signing contracts for many thousands of units a year , on gov owned land , ( and not just for ukrainians , for anyone who needs housing )

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    If I could get a mortgage for one of these it would probably be the best day ever for me as it would be far cheaper than what I pay in rent. We need to build thousands of these ASAP for Irish citizens as well as Ukrainians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,010 ✭✭✭Allinall


    That’s €2,500 a year for your housing for life.

    If you’re on a low income, that would be a great option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,951 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I agree, I reckon I have 30/40 years left, hopefully! If I could buy one of these now, if be delighted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,892 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Ask whoever “gatekeeps”. I feel ridiculous typing that word.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,673 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Any idea about insurance and maintenance costs? What is the resale value? Personally, I'd rather a house of standard construction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    I googled modular homes it says they can last 100 years depending on what materials they are made of

    Of course this is a good idea as we are desperately short of builders

    from looking at TV modular homes can be built alot faster than standard houses as it's basically assembling prebuilt units and connecting up water and power services

    The foundations and power will be ready before the units arrive on a truck

    This is cheaper than a small house in Dublin

    I wonder do they have gardens and a parking space for each house

    The point is a standard house takes alot longer to build and we simply do not enough builders in Ireland to meet half the houses we need to catch up with demand


    I think a standard house costs about 200k to build depending on the cost of the site

    I think at this point we should be thinking about making it easier to convert offices to housing in city's

    I know a 5 storey office building that's empty for the last 5 years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭gw80


    I would be a bit worried about these places becoming ghettoised, would these people not be isolated from the rest of the population and feel like others and outsiders, and the problems that brings.

    Throw in PTSD effectsof the war,alcohol issues,I think it will be a recipe for disaster .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,219 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I think it would be interesting to see if the Government did announce these for the wider population what the general opinion would be.

    I could see Mary Lou and her buddies kicking up a fuss that they were an insult to homeless families.





  • Singapore is an example of a place that has a policy of avoiding ghetto-using and intermingling people of different backgrounds through apartment blocks. It works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    Government missed a trick here.

    They should have taken the opportunity to use modular homes for both those on housing lists and emergency accommodation along with Ukrainians.


    They also should have looked at classic mobile home style parks in certain areas especially tourism areas where it would free up hotel rooms and deal with a shortage of hospitality workers.


    There's a subset of people - usually stuck in the mud politicians (all parties) - who simply think modular homes are like the old leaky cold prefabs of the 70's and nothing will change their minds.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,951 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    It does work, but not in Ireland where people seem to think that council tenants are beneath them.

    And also, the massive begrudgery of people comes out, you hear them saying all the time ' sickening them living next door in a free house when I had to pay hundreds of thousands for mine' etc etc

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,039 ✭✭✭Gusser09




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,743 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    They are not wrong saying that though. This country gives priority to the single mothers and long term unemployed and the "mentally ill" when it comes to housing, and a lot of these social housing are top notch A rated homes which the ordinary taxpayer would be saving up for years to afford and paying the mortgage for life. I for one dont think thats right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,951 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,005 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,039 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    What is incorrect about what they said? Its true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    And they forget that they will eventually own their house outright and have many options, they can also sell up and move with ease.


    They tend also to forget that many social housing tenants pay a rent and many are in low paid jobs which in a way saves people money as higher wages results in higher prices.


    Funny, the same people would probably be the first to moan if they had to pay more for goods and services that gave higher wages to those who benefit from social housing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,835 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Is that 145k for the unit ? On the back of a truck ..

    Or is it 145 k for the unit , the siting , the services, roads ect .. and the land ..

    Or somewhere in between .. ?

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 492 ✭✭jonnreeks


    Could be worse, like the UK Gov's controversial mega-barge set to house hundreds of asylum seekers. The Bibby Stockholm, a 222-bedroom, three-storey accommodation vessel, will soon house 500 male asylum seekers on the southeastern coast of England.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Modular is not a ‘value’ option by any means. I know a guy who’s going this route, primarily for speed of construction.

    Excluding professional fees, council contribution and cost of site, it works out quite expensive. 1500 square foot house is 300k.

    A conventional build would be a fair bit cheaper, but a lot slower and far more complicated with managing trades etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,835 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    It doesnt have to be more expensive , a bulk customer ,with long term contracts getting stuff built in production line style factory , somewhere like the midlands , ( not in a big centre ) , should be able to get decent value , ( not cheap though ) ,

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I wonder would those who are mentally ill or those who are lone parent be more vulnerable to homelessness, have lower incomes and that might be the reason for getting social housing?. There are several ways you could spin this... Men are getting left behind it's not fair or I'm a middle income earner I'm paying for it all, it's not fair or the simple I hate anyone doing better than me or I hate anyone I precieve as getting something for nothing it's not fair and so on. That's not doing anyone for having an opinion but be aware how media spins the story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    It only make sense to build a modular home,if you are in a hurry,eg they need houses built fast,theres a shortage of builders to build conventional house,s ,you can buy a site cheap ,or its on land already owned by the council .houses are normally given only to a single mother with 2 children at least. or a single person on disability allowance .

    i read most ukrainians are well educated i hope the services are in place to help them integrate with the local community.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A 2 bed terrace in the Indo this morning for 450k in stoneybatter.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A 1.500 sq conventionally built house for 300 would be very good value, I know someone that will be building similar soon, they are doing a fair bit of the grunt work themselves plus they have a QS keeping an eye on the project and its going to come in at 300k just for the finished house.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,815 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    These prefabs will need constant maintenance to keep from leaks, damp and mould. These will be thrown together in a hurry and will be inferior to a conventional house in every way.

    Modular homes, rebranded prefabs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,346 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Every house needs egular maintenance to prevent leaks, damp and mould.

    On your other point though, yes, they will be thrown up and in the wrong place. Some out-of-the-way backwater in Co Clare. With no amenities, a 5 mile hike to the nearest Bus stop.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No one hads to live in Stonybatter they are choosing to live there it's has no relevance to anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,815 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Yes but they will need more frequent attention. And when all the hoo hah has died down you'll hear all the complaints from the occupants, not to mind the unsuitable places they will almost certainly be plonked in, miles from anywhere.

    They're all nice in computer generated renderings and when brand new, but what will they be like 5 or 10 years from now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    Here is a 25 square metre garden room built in a day., here in the republic!

    https://www.facebook.com/reel/1906819726324226



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    the government has no choice ,they have to provide housing fast, building modular homes is the easy way to do this .We cant just fill all our hotels with immigrants .https://www.nextmodular.com/how-do-you-maintain-a-modular-home/ I presume new homes are designed to keep maintenance to a minimum



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    If I got one you wouldn't hear a complaint from me as I'd realise how lucky I am to have one. Yes a house would be better but we are currently living in a country where people are advertising a garden shed or sharing a room with 2 other people to rent on daft and for mad money. I would prefer Ireland to build a lot more decent apartments, build faster and give less power to NIMBY's but as i don't see that much movement there lots of Modular homes done right could be a great solution. But sure I'm forgetting that this is my beloved Ireland, a country thats all talk and no action when it comes to fixing important issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    I suppose it depends on what part of the country but, having just been through the whole building adventure, I would see that price as fairly saucy myself. Remember that's excluding site purchase, ground works, all soft costs which could be up to 25k, connections (maybe 10k) and no garage. So the size of a concrete modular house we're talking about here, with a reputable company, is in excess of 400k. That's not great value at all. I'm not saying it's bad value, in the current time, but it's 260 quid psq foot.


    On the up side it's quick and all internal finishes are included (for better or for worse).



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The site is complicated so that's why they have to do a lot of the work first before they build its hard to explain, a family member has a house built in the mid-90s and despite being well maintained would need upgrading if a young family was living in it now, expectation, building regs have changed hugely in the space of 30 years and the quality of things like double glazing have got much better, I don't know if a modular home is the answers but at this stage, they are on a par with a conventional home for quality.

    The issue is too much wealth is tied up in housing too many players, too many who see their house as their pension and not just a home.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Sounds perfect that's about all people live in houses for when they buy one.

    Why buy a house which lasts for centuries and pay twice as much for it when you'll be dead after living in it for 50 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    Obvious you don't know the quality of modern day modular housing.


    It's this outdated thinking, that also permeates within many councils, that has prevented more modular construction in the country.


    Most modern modular homes will have a life span of well over 50 years with minimal maintenance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    The government is taking action ,the main problem is there's a shortage of builders plumbers carpenters in Ireland

    Ireland is not China or Saudia Arabia we can't just import 1000s or builders to build new houses they have the money to build standard houses if they had workers to do it

    building modular homes is a sign of desperation

    This problem may be solved in a few years. If we have a recession 1000s of workers will go back to eu country's and rents will fall

    In the long term it makes more sense to build standard houses as they last for 100 years at least



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭blackbox


    Can a mod please correct the spelling mistake in the thread title before I go completely nuts.



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