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Pergola wood

  • 11-06-2023 12:22am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭


    Hi we are planning to build a pergola. Any suggestions for best place to buy the timber around Waterford/kilkenny/clonmel area? What type of wood would be good for an average pergola that won’t break the bank. Thanks



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,099 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Bank breaking, would be accoya, look for Larch or Douglas fir, I think Pollard's sawmill is around Clonmel who saw native timber, try them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,220 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    For a natural finish and disregarding cost I'd prefer untreated Siberian Larch over pressure treated spruce (i.e. regular construction timber), but if you're wanting a stained or painted finish stick with the cheaper stuff.

    Pressure treated wood generally requires different finishing products than untreated.

    Also think about whether you want a planed or rough finish.

    If you want it to last keep the wood out of ground contact using post holders with a stand off or concrete footings/piers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    For a pergola why use timber for the uprights? Looks a lot nicer with brick pillars and heavy timber cross members.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,220 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Interesting.

    That looks hard.

    Brick piers would be easier though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Well you went out of your way to find some awkward brickwork ;-) but you have to admit it looks nice. Imagine it with a Japanese (long raceme) wisteria growing on it.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭MossyTracks


    Great suggestions. What would the typical cost of a pergola be (all timber) for an area of 10 ft x 10 ft?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Check what timber is available locally and take lengths into account 10 ft x 10 ft could be very expensive if you have to cut up 4m lengths but sometimes you can get 3 meter lengths so 4 inch less that 10 ft might be considerably cheaper.

    Plans here https://www.construct101.com/10x10-pergola-plans/

    Get prices from Builders Merchants here for example https://www.construct101.com/10x10-pergola-plans/

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,095 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I wasn't all that impressed by Pollard's timber - I bought a fairly large quantity of larch and I thought the quality was not amazing. It was (I thought) very rough sawn and several pieces had partially bark edges on one corner. Fortunately the guys putting it up did a good job of hiding it but I seem to recall it cost me around 1,500 for the timber. That was a couple of years ago, since then the timber has weathered in and plants are doing a good job of covering it so its not a big deal in the long run.

    I got some rough treated timber from Trihy's recently, the quality is fine but what is delivered is a bit hit and miss, the lengths can vary, you will get the total no problem, but if you are relying on 16ft lengths for cutting without waste you end up doing hard sums trying to make it work (I know that 16ft is not actually 16ft, that was allowed for) 12 and 14 ft lengths make a lot of difference though.

    Go to the sawmill and actually look at what you are getting.

    Just an opinion but I really don't like those twisty brick pillars. I'd prefer timber or plain brickwork, but that's a personal preference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭angelmum


    Thank you all for your response and sorry for only replying now. Unfortunately the weather prevented us from doing this job. Maybe better so we could plan better. We are planning to placed it on a concrete base. The bricks looks really nice. Do you just lay them directly on the concrete or need some reinforcements? We still need to shop around



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,095 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I would imagine - though I have not had experience of building pillars - that you would make a concrete foundation and set a length of steel, or at very least rebar, into it as reinforcement, and work round that.

    Just thinking about it, I think if I were doing it I would turn a small angle on the bottom of three lengths of rebar, wire them together then set them into concrete using the angles to reinforce the anchor into the concrete. There's probably a more 'official' or recommended way of doing it though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭tc20


    I built one back in 2021 using Douglas Fir. I live on the east coast and used Wood Industries in Rathdrum, i found them very helpful to deal with.

    The pergola covers an area of 16' x 12', using 6x6 uprights 9' high. I got a total of 8 of the 6x6 posts as I also used them for bracing.

    Its set into concrete foundations of an old garage/shed.

    Main cross beams are 2x10", sides are 2x8" and top rails 2 x 4". Also got some rough 2x6" deal for temporary bracing etc.

    Cost then for the timber came in under €1200. Building materials have obviously jumped in price since then.

    For the bases, i didn't like the industrial look of the 'collar' type footings, so I sourced these from a company in Scotland (pics below), came in at around £100STG for 4no plus shipping, duties etc.

    As the pergola is very close to the sea, i got all stainless steel fixings which was about another €350.

    Total costs came in around €1400.




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