What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

As soon as it was discovered that Clinton/Biden or Pence had retained classified documents, they handed them over.

Trump took them, knew he had them, hid them, was asked to hand them back, lied about hiding them, was raided, hid some more, tried to get his lawyers to lie to the government and so forth.

Massive difference.

There's loads of differences, start with the indictment. Here's a great writeup:

If readers recall there was no evidence basis for Hillary intentionally obstructing justice or intending misconduct or disloyalty to the US. Also recall Republican talking points couldn't even settle on where her "server" was - depending on the troll and the argument it was in her "closet" it was in her "bathroom" it was in her "bedroom" it was in her "basement" all at the same time. Here... that's all actually true, with actual evidence:

In his basement

In his ballroom

In his **** bathroom, which also shows sign of active use.

The indictment lays out how Trump tried to play various attorneys against each other, with documentary evidence and testimony from those lawyers, such as even trying to instruct lawyers to simply lie about having documents or to remove them themselves to their own hotel rooms. To 1 lawyer Trump couldn't defeat the moral scruples of, they ordered them away, and then had another person, Nauta, with no such scruples, move documents boxes around first so Trump could look through them again, then return a portion of the boxes (I guess stuff he didn't care about keeping) back to where the first lawyer knew they were supposed to be, and had them return a handful of documents to DOJ/NARA and certify all documents were returned (which, was a lie, they were being shuffled around). They also have texts showing Nauta was instructed to move the documents between Florida and New Jersey. He also made mobster like suggestions to his lawyers, like repeatedly relaying a false story to them about Hillary ordering her lawyers to destroy her server data/blackberries, and repeatedly inferring to them they should be doing the same thing for him. Basically, he was looking for a Roy Cohn or a Saul Goodman:

It's probably important not to be celebratory though or engage in high levels of schadenfreude, because the extreme alt-right fascist types will not respond well to impotence and humiliation (all of which were in overwhelming supply in 2020 when Biden won). Most people on the right need to find the exit ramp and need to be given it.

It really seems this whole scheme was just really really stupid

Are you surprised, it coming from Mr. Stare at the Sun, Mr. Why don't we nuke the hurricane? He's incredibly, incredibly stupid.

No, its serious. Don’t you see it’s all Caps?

Projection projection projection...

That’s because they tend to be made up of people previously described.

Paddy Power would not agree that Trump has zero chance of being elected again. He has way more chance than a man under federal indictment has any right to , whatsoever, but this is where America is. If we learn ed nothing else's from 2016, we should refrain from writing him off or else sleepwalk into that whole fiasco again.

There were many reasons trump won in 2016 (And he did win that election. Not the popular vote but he won the election). As has been said previously, he marketed himself as a break from the norm. For all anyone know, had Clinton gotten in It could have been:

• George HW Bush 1989 - 1993
• Bill Clinton 1993 - 1997
• Bill Clinton 1997 - 2001
• George W Bush 2001 - 2005
• George W Bush 2005 - 2009
• Barack Obama 2009 - 2013
• Barack Obama 2013 - 2017
• Hilary Clinton 2017 -2021
• Hilary Clinton 2021 - 2025?
• Michelle Obama 2025 - 2029?
• Michelle Obama 2029 - 2033?

On top of that, Clinton was not was not well liked - She came across as cold and not particularly pleasant.

But trump and his team did an excellent job of sowing doubt about her trustworthiness: The mails. Lock Her Up etc. This was part of his campaign. Was one of his tentpole promises.

So the reason we are hearing so little defence from his cultists (Outside of 2-trick meme-ponies - 1: Biden's old 2: everyone else who dislikes trump is a physically ugly snowflake. You know the guy) is that now it is EXACTLY 180 degrees flipped. What is being said NOW is EXACTLY what they were chanting in 2016: The-Leader-Is-Good. The-Leader-Is-Great. Lock-her-up. Emails. There is no difference between trump's call to "Lock Her Up" and today - Apart from scale. That and I haven't heard Biden say about trump: "If [she] he gets to pick [her] his judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”

Now this is not a revelation. This is no great insight. We all know it. Even the trumpbutts and buttrumps. But don't worry. He was right about the golf. That'll make up for everything. So they'll swoop in again with about Hunter's Laptop (Remember that?) or Musk being a genius and likes trump or somesuch. When asked a question (Or even to expand upon, prove or quantify their post) they will disappear again.

At the moment I'm probably 60/40 on the side that he will be convicted - Certainly to a degree that he is ineligible. But who knows. Years ago I had plans with family to go to Washington in 2019. I'd been before but others hadn't. I wanted to go to the Smithsonian Air and Space for 50th anniversary of Apollo 11. We put it off as none of us wanted to be there while he was in office. Plan was to go there when he was out of office. But we have put it off for good now. The country is not the place I spent so much time in in the late 90s, early 2000s. The optimism is gone - Replaced by xenophobia. It is small-minded, intolerant, fearful and angry. I would love to go to the new Star Wars section in Disneyland there (Just not the soon-to-be-closed "hotel" :). I WANNA walk around that full-scale Millennium Falcon!) but would not feel right going to a place that would not welcome some of my friends. To a state that hates them. I am not denying their right... I'm just not gonna support it financially.

It really is sad to see.

And, his special brand of magic cost the GOP the Senate due to the Georgia elections. Even a Trumpistan like Georgia found him offensive, and he's worse now.

Everything Trump Touches Dies, including the Republican Party. Hopefully not the USA.

God bless Daniel, continually calling Trump on his utter Bullsh1t...

@everlast75

"I love the poorly educated!"

the “always a tweet” rule is back in play at least since Elon republished his old feed:

Yeah seen the headlines about that interview.

Here’s another dumpster fire interview, Graham absolutely loses his **** that he’s not allowed to air his ‘two standards of justice’ complete diatribe over ‘but her emails’