Who's the definition of a 'stupid person's idea of a clever person'?

A stupid person's idea...probably somebody who can use multi syllable words?

Also an oxymoron. Do stupid people have ideas?

Not a nice thread title. Who am I, you or any of us to decide how intelligent somebody is.

In Ireland I think George Lee would be a candidate.

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Most of the people mentioned so far are probably considerably more intelligent than those posting their names.....

Jacob Rees-Mogg.

Anyone who doesn't align with my worldview. The utter cretins, how dare they disagree with me???

Its a hard question because in order to gain public notoriety as a clever person theres usually some sort of previous qualification/criteria involved which means you cant just easily dismiss the person as being a false intellectual/clever in some way.

Like Fry or Peterson, theyre both well educated. You dont have to like them but theyre both pretty smart.

Rees Mogg seems intellectually unaware in some ways, maybe due to complete detatchment, a bit like the students in the 'wallet inspector' scene from the simpsons. He seems to live in a different reality, in a formal, logical, linear and consistent realm. Hes probably wicked book smart.

But he still brought his "nanny" with him on a door to door campaign, in working class areas. Always a vote winner.

In general stupid people think they know everything and are not willing to learn or change. They have a narrow view.

Clever people are always questioning and asking questions wanting to learn. A broad view.

Backgrounds and nurture can help improve people giving them grounding. But despite this more often than not stupid people end up finding their level and clever people go beyond this.

Peter Hitchens and his deliberate contrarianism surely fits, no? There are a whole swathe of commentators on both sides of the political spectrum that are basically verbose outrage bots. Whose sole function seems to be to drive rage engagement. They lay out a position and then support it with poorly constructed and evidenced argument all to drive clicks.

Be it the IT, The Guardian, The Spectator, The New European, The Telegraph, The Economist and on, and on. All partake in the game of presenting "intelligent" commentary that is more often than not shallow BS.

I suppose a (more) stupid person might look to certain political pundits as being smart.

The ones who are basically professional trolls who dont even believe half of what theyre spouting themselves. The ones who are just sht stirring for attention and ad revenue.

Now the professional troll may actually be smart, but theyre putting on a provocative act, theyre sort of playing a character.

And a stupid person might think of the character as being smart. Not seeing through the ratings motivated bullsht.

Media will do anything for clicks, ... as will certain sites ...

What I’m struggling with is whether or not you’re admitting to being stupid? That doesn’t make any sense, but the only way you could know who epitomises the definition of a clever person from a stupid person’s perspective, is if you ask them. By offering your own perspective first, it makes for a very confusing premise to the question! 🤔

If Peterson for example weren’t clever, he wouldn’t be earning $3m a year, but then again he wouldn’t have people taking a pop at him personally because of his mental health difficulties either, so I dunno, seems a bit like swings and roundabouts tbh. I could probably think of dozens more examples, but the same principles would apply - depends entirely upon one’s own subjective perspective.

Joe rogan fits- his followers think he’s smart

Yeah. Would people consider Isaac Newton to be stupid?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton%27s_occult_studies

I think maybe one or two of these characters are under the guidance of professional p.r. and marketing teams. Not just the politicians, but the media characters too.

Stick to these guide-lines, say these sort of things, and you'll tap into this or that market which is worth however much. Forget all objectivity and balance, rant on and on about one viewpoint and they'll keep watching and clapping and buying.

The same angle as sent up by 'Jesus he knows me', but for the 2020's. Culture war nonsense is our new tv-preacher. Click the screen.

I knew as soon as I read the thread title it would be about Jordan Peterson.

It's amazing that the people who are incredibly woke and claim to be all about respecting others and who preach "Be Kind" all the time have no problem mocking Jordan Peterson for his addiction issues.

Really shows you that the "Be Kind" brigade are complete hypocrites.

Genuine questions

1. Do you think Peterson respects other people?
2. Do you think he "kind" to other people?
3. Are you refering to the poster as part of the "Be Kind" briage. Or are you just speaking in general terms? Be precise in your speech.

Now on to your statements.

Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world. Peterson personal life is being brought up because it is part of his brand. Peterson has published two self help books. Someone with Petersons addiction issues is not in position lecture people on how to navigate the complexities of life. Not only does it show a lack of awareness it is also a very stupid thing ffor a "smart person" to do.

Fintan O'Toole.

Extraordinarily limited range which seems to consist of slightly reworded articles about brexit and sermons about the lesser spotted 'far right'.

And Rees Mogg explained away the nanny episode by noting that no one would have raised an eyebrow if he had just brought his butler instead.

Which of us hasn't had to deal with the trauma of choosing between our nanny and our butler to help us in dealing with the proles?

But considering he is a clinical psychologist then he is someone who people get life advice from .That is what psychologists do.

It doesn't matter whether he is kind to other people or not.It's irrelevant.

My point stands, the exact people who preach be kind have no problem mocking Peterson therefore those people are gigantic hypocrites and really their stance of "Be kind" is just posturing from them.The "Be kind" brigade tend to only show kindness towards others if they 100% agree with them on an issue.

People were denigrating Peterson for his addictions issues, lots of people on the internet were laughing at him for them.