Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

CIARAN_BOYLE · 11-06-2023 11:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120700421#Comment_120700421

Just for the record Leinster sell out at 13.5k season ticket holders.

They can't sell more without breaching regulations from competitions.

That's just an idea of the scale of the additional tickets that must be held back.

Dubinusa · 11-06-2023 2:13pm

It's been drawn out for a long time this re development. Hopefully, it gets done.

AdamD · 11-06-2023 6:57pm

I'd probably give up my season ticket if we ended up in the Aviva for 2 seasons, I find visibility to be dreadful from the lower tier there.

Clegg · 11-06-2023 7:44pm

Seems like Sexton might be hauled up before the EPCR yet. Quite a while after the final but whatever. There's a lot of supposition in the article about missing the World Cup, but they mentioned the Pau coach getting a 10 week ban for swearing at the referee and laying hands on him.

In 10 weeks is the entry point for that then I can imagine Sexton getting a 5-6 week ban for his actions which may see him missing the warm ups and a pool game or two.

He's a video of his best bits anyway.

https://twitter.com/SixNationsRugby/status/1667939758079614978?t=tJeqsslVNFW4LaouCK6fDw&s=09

Dubinusa · 12-06-2023 1:26pm

Are we looking at a ban here? I haven't seen the incident and surely it's not going to get him scuppered from the world cup.

12-06-2023 2:12pm

Ireland should start acting the bollix here like some other teams/countries have done recently and schedule a couple of pointless friendly games for July against provincial development sides, to use up any suspension Sexton gets that way.

When Tom Jordan got the red against Munster in the URC while he missed the Challenge Cup Final, the rest of his suspension was used up by three games in the Scottish Super Series (in which Glasgow's A side compete) and a Barbarians/Swansea fixture.

Lost Ormond · 12-06-2023 2:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705220#Comment_120705220

They wont and often organising bodies etc will look at that and say they have to be meaningful games. IRFU mightnt get away with that with Sexton Tom Jordon missed a big game in terms of challenge cup final. Sexton is bigger profile, the alleged incident took place during the premier game of the european club season.

12-06-2023 2:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705389#Comment_120705389

No, I get the argument, but the Jordan example clearly wasn't the case of it being meaningful games, and there have been other examples of teams doing this same thing.

Sexton's stature and where the incident took place shouldn't factor into this sort of thing - an offence is an offence regardless of where it occurred.

Lost Ormond · 12-06-2023 3:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705424#Comment_120705424

There has been several cases of players bans not including games say in the week before the 6 nations because they were never going to play that to ensure they miss 2 6 nations games they would have played.

If its decided to punish sexton for his actions especially when he wasnt even a member of the playing squad on the day the powers that be may want to send a message and an offence when not a player is very different to a player on pitch commiting an offence.

Former Former Former · 12-06-2023 3:13pm

Just a reminder that Sonny Bill Williams was allowed to count a training match and some other farcial invention as part of his suspension when he got red-carded against the Lions.

There is plenty of ridiculous precedent out there. Just need to schedule St Mary's v Leinster A and Ireland vs Ireland Wolfhounds and be grand.

sydthebeat · 12-06-2023 3:27pm

Agreed.

To be honest I think this is a storm in a tea cup issue. Sexton has as much right to be on that pitch after the game as every other squad member from both sides. The incident lasted seconds and there was no face to face aggression.

Compared to what Dylan Hartley said to Barnes (on microphone, during a game) which got hartley, a serial offender, 11 weeks.... Or the physical assaulr by that French pau coach on grove-white which got him 10 weeks... What sexton is alleged to have done, if proven is certainly lesser.

AbusesToilets · 12-06-2023 3:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705594#Comment_120705594

It didn't even look like Peyper noticed Sexton in that clip.

ulsteru20s · 12-06-2023 3:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705594#Comment_120705594

I don’t think he is a squad member. He’s wearing a suit. However, i agree this won’t amount to much.

sydthebeat · 12-06-2023 4:01pm

just to be clear, if sexton is found guilty he should be banned certainly. verbal abuse is not to be tolerated at all.

But in my opinion, considering the time of the offense (post game), the emotion of the time, the brevity of the incident, and the alleged words used, id view it as a low end offence under 9.28 which has an entry of 6 weeks. Given sextons recent clean disciplinary record, i think hes looking at a 3 week ban (again, if the incident is upheld).

again, in my opinion, i see no difference between saying "youre a disgrace" and "youre a fcuking disgrace" in the seriousness of "verbal abuse" towards a referee. If he said "youre a disgrace" it shouldn't be viewed as a lesser offence to using the f word

sydthebeat · 12-06-2023 4:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705707#Comment_120705707

the fact hes wearing a suit is completely immaterial.

hes a squad member. Leinster had to register their HC squad at the start of the season. LAR had non playing squad members on the pitch after the game, and had 'suit wearing' officials also on the pitch celebrating as well. Sexton had as much right to be on the pitch as everyone else who was on the pitch at the end of the game.

ulsteru20s · 12-06-2023 4:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705742#Comment_120705742

They have to name a squad for that game though and he’s not on it. He’s also not a coach. Alot of people have the right to celebrate but none of them have the right to talk to the ref.

sydthebeat · 12-06-2023 4:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705761#Comment_120705761

Alot of people have the right to celebrate but none of them have the right to talk to the ref.

and i didnt say that, i was making the point that he was a squad member so had the right to be on the pitch. As i already said, LAR had non playing squad members on the pitch celebrating afterwards as well.

do you think there's some regulation which says only match day squads are allowed on the pitch after the game?

pickarooney · 12-06-2023 4:26pm

I'd imagine it would make a difference. If he's there as a non-matchday squad member, should his potential punishment be for that of a player or for non-plaing staff? For example if the physio had a go at the ref, what kind of sanction would he/she face?

PMC83 · 12-06-2023 4:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705761#Comment_120705761

No one has the right to talk to the ref?

sydthebeat · 12-06-2023 4:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705825#Comment_120705825

the closest comparison i can suggest is the Pau coach grabbing sam grove-whites arm for which he got a 10 week ban. he was charged under "threatening words or actions" rather than "physical assault" which would have gotten him a heavier sanction. Sexton didnt make any contact with any official, and the alleged charge is a verbal one, though one official claimed to have felt intimidated.

it will certainly be interesting to see how it goes

12-06-2023 4:33pm

That's it really - it wouldn't be more or less acceptable if he said something having just played 80 minutes. I don't get the distinction or why it should be a feature of any suspension he might get for this.

ulsteru20s · 12-06-2023 4:34pm

I might be picking small differences but if anything the coach has more right to talk to the ref than sexton. But he didn’t touch him so that is different.

aloooof · 12-06-2023 4:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705825#Comment_120705825

For example if the physio had a go at the ref, what kind of sanction would he/she face?

The Munster doctor got a 3 week ban for, eh, giving Jamie George some free advice around his weight a few seasons ago.

Player tho, not ref, so not sure if that would make much of a difference.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 12-06-2023 4:41pm

Has it been officially confirmed if the investigation is about the half time incident or the post match incident?

sydthebeat · 12-06-2023 4:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705863#Comment_120705863

Player tho, not ref, so not sure if that would make much of a difference.

surprisingly, it actually doesn't make a difference, from a sanction point of view, whether the receiver of the verbal abuse is a player or official.

the big sanction difference is in physical abuse.

sydthebeat · 12-06-2023 4:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705885#Comment_120705885

"officially" no, but its been reported that the half time incident "have been found to be of little significance and are unlikely to see major repercussions."

https://www.cityam.com/exclusive-sexton-world-cup-swansong-in-doubt-over-conduct-letter/

pickarooney · 12-06-2023 5:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705853#Comment_120705853

Let's say he'd retired at the end of the season. Would he just be let go unpunished?

12-06-2023 5:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705974#Comment_120705974

I've no idea tbh - what ability to sanction would they have over him then?

salmocab · 12-06-2023 5:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705974#Comment_120705974

I think he would just be given the same punishment but effectively he would get away with it. Not much else can be done.

sydthebeat · 12-06-2023 5:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705974#Comment_120705974

shure didnt dan Goggin get a nine week ban after kicking a player in the face, and left to play semi pro rugby in australia. whether he has to fulfil the ban is still unsure.

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