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Phillip Schofield steps down from ITV after affair with "much younger male"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,611 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You also seem entitled to name him although even that tabloids haven't. 🤷‍♀️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,611 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭reclose


    100% agree it’s a very strange way to label the affair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No. Philip Schofield did not say what he did was illegal.

    Nah Boggles is correct here - if he had an affair with a 20 year old woman a lot of the posters here wouldn't give a crap.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,605 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    If Phil had an affair with a 20 year old girl who he knew as a child in a theatre charity and took them out for meet ups through his friend and got them work in his show and then had sexual encounters with them once the age of consent, I would still find that uncomfortable, I find the details of the encounters, timelines, cover up and lies etc., all are more condemning than the affair whether gay or straight, adding in the fact of his brother's actions and convictions and Phil's knowledge of



  • Registered Users Posts: 171 ✭✭200mg


    Why did he resign ? Simple question. I'm not suggesting that he had an affair with someone under age. Why did he resign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    Let me correct you there... Schofield in his interview said it was not a AFFAIR/RELATIONSHIP...get your facts rights.

    Post edited by cap.in.hand. on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,611 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    then had sexual encounters with them once the age of consent

    There is that word again. 😕

    The age of consent in England is 16, the "sexual encounters" with the man was when he 20/21.

    Maybe you would be less uncomfortable if you stuck with the actual facts. I know it doesn't suit your narrative, but maybe give it a go.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,296 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Sorry mistype there - he said unwise but legal.

    If he did nothing wrong why did he resign?

    One assumes he means legal under criminal law. Is breach of contract legal?

    The point is it wasnt an affair or fling with a random 20 yo. But someone he effectively hired and was in a position of authority over and seemingly the other guys promising career is now over before it barely started.

    He lied to ITV about it and we can presume this was in breach of contract. Otherwise why resign without seeking a pay off?

    I cant speak for every poster here but as far as Im concerned there has to be significant career consequences for that. He should never be in position to do that again.

    There has been a lot of scrutiny of situations in entertainment industry of sexual misconduct where there is a power difference.

    Theres also the questions around exactly what he knew about his brothers child abuse and when.

    He was dropped by his management agency.

    Sure there are more important scandals but its not a trivial thing either.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Gender or sexual orientation isn't the issue - whether he had an affair with a male or female is irrelevant. PS telling lie upon lie upon lie is the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,611 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Theres also the questions around exactly what he knew about his brothers child abuse and when.

    No there isn't, he furnished the crown with a statement and then released a further statement.

    You wanting there to be questions isn't the same as there is questions.


    If he did nothing wrong why did he resign?

    He lied to ITV about it and we can presume this was in breach of contract.

    You seem to have answered your own question there.

    The point is it wasnt an affair or fling with a random 20 yo. But someone he effectively hired and was in a position of authority over and seemingly the other guys promising career is now over before it barely started.

    Do you think it could be partly down to that scum gossip blog you keep linking to which outed him?

    Your faux concern is quite touching though. 😕



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,296 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    His statement to the Crown - well you yourself said, his legal team would have reviewed his comments such that he wouldn't say anything that would obviously legally incriminate himself. So given there were only two parties to the conversation, even if Schofield's brother had told him the boy was underage, Philip Schofield on the stand would not admit that - that's the clear implication of what you said.

    He told his brother to NEVER do it again. NEVER. Not, you need get help and sort your sexuality out because it was causing him mental anguish. But NEVER. His comments simply don't make sense from a gay man if all his brother was doing was legal and consensual.

    Why was he dropped like a stone by his management agency?

    So yes, there are questions. And I'm not the only one asking them.

    "Faux concern" -> out comes the bad faith argument to other's motives here. And you have no other agenda than defending Philip Schofield's reputation? Pull the other one.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,611 ✭✭✭✭Boggles



    He told his brother to NEVER do it again. NEVER. Not, you need get help and sort your sexuality out because it was causing him mental anguish. But NEVER. His comments simply don't make sense from a gay man if all his brother was doing was legal and consensual.

    If your married brother told you he had a 16/17 year old around the house for a bit of synchronised masturbation what would you say?

    Work away, be grand shure?

    Why was he dropped like a stone by his management agency?

    That has been answered, because he lied to them.

    So yes, there are questions.

    No. You have whatever answers you have already decided upon. No amount of statements will change what you have already decided.

    "Faux concern" -> out comes the bad faith argument to other's motives here

    No faux concern is you pretending to care about the mans life while simultaneously linking to a gossip blog that outed him.

    Not even the UK tabloids have been that manky.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,296 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    If someone conflicted about their sexuality came to me, and said they'd been fooling around with someone legal but much younger, that they weren't in a position of responsibility to... I would tell them they need to talk to a professional to sort out their issues. That possibly they may not be happy if they try to suppress their homosexuality. Telling them to STOP while they sort that out, yes - but I wouldn't tell them to NEVER do it again.

    We're not in the same jurisdiction as the UK. The information is already available on the internet worldwide. The story is out there.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,611 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Nope the act and scenario were very specific. I'd tell my brother never do it again, as would most reasonable people.

    Also he did tell him get counselling.

    We're not in the same jurisdiction as the UK. The information is already available on the internet worldwide. The story is out there.

    That doesn't make you continuously linking to it any less manky.

    I mean you are concerned about him aren't you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    What a stupid, and juvenile post. There is no contradiction, and the fact you can't elaborate tells me that you're a bit clueless, really



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭reclose


    Can you point me to where he said it was not an affair? I’m aware of him saying it wasn’t a relationship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭reclose


    I agree with the other poster regarding the brother.

    The articles I’ve seen say it was watching porn with a 16 year old and possibly masturbation. 16 is the age of consent in UK.

    If he was my brother I’d be telling him to never do it again too. It might be legal but it’s fucked up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,296 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    An entirely bad faith line of argument.

    Continuously linking to it -> when did I last link to it? I'm not linking it "continuously". The information is in the public domain if anyone wants to google it. Linking it here doesn't alter that.

    As would most "reasonable" people -> clear prejudicial implication anyone who disagrees with you is unreasonable.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    Who said I couldn't elaborate? The fact you don't get how silly your comment is makes me laugh. You are saying that the poster doesn't know about their suffering and pain whilst in the same breath you then proceed to claim you know the reason as to their suffering and pain. How you cant see that's is a contradiction is unfathomable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Look up the word “if” and “mostly.”

    Nobdy knows exactly how they’re feeling.

    But I’d be far surer it is due to the constant criticisms in the media compared to anything PS did. Yes, I’d lay my bets here…

    yes, technically to cover myself I should have said “most likely,”…..but if my not including it makes you all giddy, so be it.

    you’re posting comes across ever so childish.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    Nah id say the affair with a 20 year old that he'd known since he was 15 ripped the family apart more than a few articles. Id bet big on that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    Don't think it's very nuanced to just say oh it's homophobia, there is a lot to the story. Also he's received a lot less vitriol than Meghan Markle and she's done SFA in the grand scheme of things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,605 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    What word would you like me to use, as Phil said it wasn't a relationship, intercourse, intimacy, bunk ups, sexy time, I'm not sure why the use of sexual encounters is bad as it was used in other posts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    "Once the age of consent" here being used to try and make this as off/seedy as possible, as if PS jumped on the lad the very day the lad turned 16.

    The lad was a man when PS and he became intimate. That's all there is to this. The rest is simply a societal "losing their sh1t" issue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭reclose


    Ok so you acknowledge that he never said it wasn’t an affair. Thanks for clarifying.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    If this guy didn't break the law there is really no need for any outcry. People might think he's a bit of a sleaze, but that's just an opinion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,296 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    If he did break the law there is less need for an outcry, because he may get a legal comeuppance.

    So sleaze like this seems to warrant an outcry in the sense of ie a strong expression of public disapproval or anger.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Or people could concentrate on their own lives, rather than making judgements on a stranger who had a fling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    I'm sure Schofield would clarify his position better than me...why don't you Instagram/Twitter him.. he'd love that!...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,296 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It wasn't just "a stranger who had a fling" now, was it?

    One of the most well known media personalities in these islands. He didn't resign for the craic. He didn't resign just because he had "a fling" now did he?

    If you're not bothered by it, that's your call. But it begs the question why you're bothering with this thread at all.

    "Concentrate on their own lives " ... rather than what? Making judgements about what people discuss on social media???

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,109 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    It's scary how many people here don't understand what grooming is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    As I understand it the younger guy was 20 when the relationship began.

    It's interesting that people lost their minds over a quite legal gay relationship. I would say Schofield is a stranger to almost everyone who condemns him for quite legal behaviour. I'd say concentrate on their own lives rather than condemning people who have broken the law.

    There is a whiff of homophobia to this, it'd be very unlikely a straight man in similar circumstances would face this backlash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,296 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Schofield is a 'stranger'? You only express opinions on social media about people you know personally do you? Or who have broken the law?

    I wasn't aware people weren't allowed to express opinions except under those conditions. "Concentrate on their own lives" -> maybe you should heed your own advice instead of advising others on what topics they should be bothered to share opinions about.

    There's no need to resort to homophobia as an explanation of what's happened here. In light of the scrutiny in the entertainment industry of sexual misconduct where there is a difference in status, I don't see homophobia as a necessary or sufficient explanation.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Now, now, don’t be getting ratty.

    Yeah, of course he’s a stranger. And I wouldn’t condemn people who aren’t criminals, I’m not that much of a pr1ck.


    Homophobia is all over this, no question. Having a relationship with a 20 year old man is not illegal, it’s well above the age of consent, but that doesn’t seem to matter to some of these homophobes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,611 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Yeah you only linked to it about 4 times from what I saw. 🙄

    But you care, right?

    I think Rebel Wilson underlined how much of a scum act it is when she was blackmailed last year.


    I'm pretty sure most reasonable people would tell their married brother not to bring a 16/17 year old into the family home to watch pornography.

    But you wouldn't apparently. Good for you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,605 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    His agency dropped him, the agency that employs his daughter, many media agencies have stayed with clients through bad times even affairs etc., the fact that so many have distanced themselves from Phil even though they all knew about his relationship makes you wonder



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭nachouser




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,611 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    the fact that so many have distanced themselves from Phil even though they all knew about his relationship makes you wonder

    Have you citation for your claim that they all knew about it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    So, what is it?

    Are you suggesting that the person aged 15 years (thereabouts) was groomed for abuse when he turned 20/21?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,296 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I didn't link the article "continuously", I posted the article in response to specific queries and have not posted it recently. Your statement was false.

    And now, a guilt by association accusation by referencing an entirely different scenario of blackmailing - Schofield did not resign because he was being blackmailed.

    You continue in this vein - "most reasonable people". So prejudicial argument. It's not at all clear that his statement had that specific meaning.

    Nowhere does this statement reference "family home". So what you are trying to spin as "reasonable" is based on your own embellishments of what was said.

    Then he said that he and [the boy] had time together and that last year they had watched porn... and [masturbated]".

    "I turned and said, 'What did you just say?' He said it was last year and we were alone together.

    "Tim said it was just this once. I told him it should never happen again.

    "He then started to tell me about [the boy's] body.

    "I said, 'F***, stop'. I shouted at Tim that he had to stop. I didn't want to know any of the details but he made it sound like a one-off.

    "I said, 'I don't want you to tell me anymore'. I said, 'You've got to stop, just never do it again. Regardless how that happened it must never happen again'.

    ttps://news.sky.com/story/phillip-schofield-said-f-stop-to-his-brother-when-he-told-him-about-sex-act-with-teenage-boy-court-hears-12845054#:~:text=TV%20star%20Phillip%20Schofield%20said,it%20must%20never%20happen%20again%22.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,611 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I can't for the life of me see what could possibly be confusing about the statement that most reasonable people would tell him not to do it again.

    You'd be the outlier on this not me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I think folks were expecting him to ring the cops straight away. When you factor in that it’s his brother, first, and second, nothing illegal had been even eststablished. PS was told the boy was 16



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,611 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Basically he would be ringing the cops to report his brother for having an affair.

    I imagine the cops would have just loved that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,605 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Holly claims she asked him, photo evidence

    Why do you think his media agency dropped him, over just an affair, I don't think so



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,605 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,294 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Holly claims she asked him, and he denied it. Philip even said in an interview that if Holly had ever asked him about it, he would have denied it (I think he couldn't remember a particular time she asked him, but that he would have lied about it regardless).

    It's just as likely that the agency dropped him because he denied everything about the affair, and then when when it became apparant that he'd lied to them, they dropped him because they couldn't do their job effectively for him. Had he been honest with them, they could have put plans in place, statements, made sure they had looked into it that there was nothing illegal about it etc. Instead he lied to them and it was obvious he was going to get dropped from This Morning (due to a combination of the affair, workplace relations, falling out with Holly, and the revelations about his brother and what Philip may have known about it), at which point why bother keeping him on as a client at all? His career is already dead in the water and not worth the time and effort any more. 12.5% or whatever their part of Philip's TV deals are would still be £0, and would be likely to remain so for the foreseeable future.

    You're reading into things what you want to read into things. It doesn't make it so, not without evidence. And "Why do you think...." doesn't constitute evidence.



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