Four children injured in France knife attack, two in critical condition - **read OP for warnings**

For 2000 years the history of the Christian faith has been one of genocide, terror and fear. It’s only really in less than the last 100 no where this has changed, coinciding with the secularisation of nominally “christian” societies.

I find it astonishing in a thread where kids were stabbed that a handful of posters are concerned about migrants getting a bad game.

Wow is all I can say.

His wife said he no longer wanted to live in Sweden. He had applied for citizenship in Sweden but had been turned down.

Had he been granted citizenship he could have moved permanently to France or another EU country (including Ireland). Without citizenship he could travel throughout Schengen but not settle within the EU therefore in order to settle in another EU country he had to gain refugee status in that other country.

Nonsense, the Christian faith does not preach terrorism, genocide and fear. It can be argued that the Christian faith and Christian values are what made Europe what it is today, the shining city on the hill. This secularisation is a very recent phenomenon.

That is not an honest way of putting it as you're implying (I think?) that Christians persecuted others for 2000 years.

The last Roman emperors to persecute Christians were Constantius who died in 306 AD and Julian the Apostate who reigned from 331 to 363 AD.

Modern persecution of Christians did not begin with the Soviet Union and Communist Spain in the last 100 years. Christians were massacred in the Vendée in the 18th century by French atheist revolutionaries and in Haiti by the natives with the blessing of said atheist revolutionaries.

Christian societies were often peaceful. There wasn't constant bloodshed, terror, fear and pogroms in all Christian societies at all time.

Post-Christian societies and atheists generally have not shown themselves to be any better and are arguably worse. It is about the same.

What would you think the opinion of a French Huguenot from the 16th century would be of the good clerics values? Or that of a Jewish person from any period of time from 1100 to 1945 on European Christian values?

And what was the generic french clerics view on the attempts to bring Christianity to the America's and the devastation it brought with it?

You are completely side-stepping my point.

Since you're making no defense against the charge that post-Christian societies also feature bloody wars and other ills and injustices, you're effectively conceding it.

People who hate Christianity hate Christianity is my take-away from this discussion.

If they could manage a little evenhandedness they might be more convincing to lurkers and people on the fence.

Yes and this peace dividend after 1945 is thanks mainly to Allied Victory. Not clear why New Atheist shitposters think they deserve the credit.

Every civilization ultimately fails. Usually by their own hand. Ours will too, and by our own hands. The naysayers will be denigrated, shouted down, socially isolated, silenced, jailed, dehumanised, and maybe even sterilised or killed at some future point.

Not possible? Crazy? Maybe, maybe not, but it's not as if it hasn't happened before in the reasonably recent past.

It's like lemmings orchestrating their own destruction. (Yes I know lemmings don't jump off cliffs, but they breed until they outnumber the available food resources)

They will continue to come here until our countries are as bad or worse than where they left.

And possibly not a great scholar of 'Die Aufklarung' either.

The evidence presented is the the individual came from an othodox Christian village, was in the Syrian army before absconding in 2012. The name they were known as is a Christian name. They were confirmed to have been found wearing Christian symbols and an unconfirmed claim they had a cross tattoo. Not very likely for an Islamic fanatic.

A claim has been made that this is a false identity and is being circle jerked about the fringes of the internet. The is no evidence for this claim however as yet. The main “evidence” seemed to be a claim that Abdemassih is too obvious a Christian name and nowadays Christian Syrians use neutral names.

The individual has been further identified however as Karim Abdelmassih Hanoun. Karim being a neutral first name and in the Syrian naming tradition Abdelmassih being his fathers name.

Reports from the individuals area in Syria claim they had no criminal record, which does suggest and individual of that name existed in Syria.

A claim has be made without evidence that their real name is Selman Majd, a Muslim. It is not unheard of for individuals seeking asylum to alter their identity to one that may make gaining asylum more straightforward so cannot be ruled out.

irrespective of religion the only conclusion that can safely be drawn however is that the individual was deranged

[quote]The Islamic world needs to have its own restoration to the type of society that was developing there on the past where the likes of Tehran, Damascus and Cairo were vibrant and tolerant cities , but decrying all Muslims as fanatics won’t achieve that[/quote]

Indeed.

More pertinently, it will certainly not be achieved by the West allowing all the doctors and engineers there to abandon those places for more prosperous shores, by dangerous means, and with not enough screening.

That is a serious ethical issue, I think. And one blindly ignored by the propagandists for mass immigration, in their giddy excitement about 'diversity being our strength'. It isn't.

I'm well aware of European history. I don't blindly ignore it. And I'm around long enough and have experienced enough of Muslims to abhor the use of the term 'fanatic' to all, in a blanket fashion. Not because doing so would somehow feed their oppression, but because it's just blatantly untrue.

But I don't hesitate to say that I care a lot more about the impact of Muslim fanaticism in Europe today, than I do about what goes on in the Middle East.

I don't have what so many Christian-bashers, ironically enough, have in these issues ie a saviour-complex.

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