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Sick of this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    I think a safe synopsis of the last few pages is:

    -Irish like to complain

    -Irish like to travel

    -most people will emigrate to English speaking countries for sake of ease

    -through natural supply and demand, English speaking countries have a similar issues to Ireland (which people are looking to escape)

    -lots of non English speaking countries don't have this issue and have lots more quality of life benefits

    -most people generally don't want to learn a language as part of moving

    So learn a language or be prepared for less benefits and loss of money



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,400 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I could say the same from when I was growing up in the 1970s and 1980s, with most planning to move away, the only difference being we couldn't afford to go away to an event.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,564 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The wife was in Oslo in the winter. She said it was a nightmare. A Slip'n'Slide Mecca and she fell on her arse several times herself.

    Lots of people walking around on crutches and the winter the is around 4 months long.

    The Aquavit is tasty though.





  • Norway is amazing in summer, in winter it is indeed a nightmare and as it’s very hilly that makes it worse. I have visited during winter and in Oslo it’s at its worst as the pavements are more trod down and slippery, in regional areas it’s less so. Some years a few west coast towns get very little snow due to the effect of the Gulf Stream



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    Nordics are a very polite people but very very reserved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,611 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Norway have a 1.3 trillion investment fund, more than the Saudis.

    They are probably the closet thing in Europe to a true welfare state.

    It helps to have shít loads of energy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    They're not that polite. I'm not saying they are rude by nature, but they have little sense of delicacy or discretion and will happily ask and answer pretty intrusive or overly direct questions without a second thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    Blunt ?, maybe they are a bit like the dutch ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    You could get a job in academia in Germany without German but the industries would require a little bit of German (even if they don't state it on their advert). Have you thought about Copenhagen? It's great for science and biotech in general. They certainly don't require Danish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭limnam




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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,968 Mod ✭✭✭✭Moonbeam


    They also invest a lot of money in education , young people , libraries etc it is much easier to see where your tax money goes



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,968 Mod ✭✭✭✭Moonbeam


    It is mostly fine and so pretty . Breaking bones ski-ing , snow boarding , climbing etc is taken as part of life but not as common as it seems :)

    when the snow turns to ice it is a nightmare but wearing yak tracks or studs help . That is only for a week or 2 though , roads are cleared paths are frites .



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,968 Mod ✭✭✭✭Moonbeam


    They are not more polite then Irish people . They are very closed and private people but if they can help you with something will .

    I find a lot of them have the same friends since kindergarten and it is extremely hard to make friends .


    Things that we find rude , they would not .



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,603 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I hadn't as it happens. I know there are a few Danish pharma firms doing clinical trials but that's the end of my knowledge. I was leaning towards France or Germany as I could learn a second language that would make me eligible to work for the EU.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭jay0109


    This will make you even sicker!

    [quote]The couple borrowed €2.4 million between 2006 and 2007, across seven mortgage accounts. At the time their combined salary was about €100,000, and the loans were all granted on an interest-only basis.....

    .....She noted that the couple were “unwilling” to accept suggestions from the lender to downsize their 743sq m (8,000sq ft) family home with a swimming pool, or to dispose of their six rental properties, while the bank also expressed concerns in 2015 that the second complainant was seeking finance for a new car.[/quote]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,325 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I'm working for a german company in germany and our department is all english speaking (It's the online section of a large german supermarket chain)

    Talking to the expats here, there's a lot of them in english speaking roles in IT firms. I'd imagine once you get into actual industrial jobs they'd probably require german.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,603 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'm reading John Kampfner's book at the moment. It's incredibly illuminating I have to say.

    I met a woman randomly in an Indonesian restaurant and she gave me her card. It looks like she markets the city of Frankfurt as some kind of investment destination. I was hoping there might be some opportunities there but I think my CV is too niche and specialised.

    It's a much weirder country that I was expecting based on my reading and the book I mentioned above. Apparently, a lot of the bureaucracy is still heavily paper-based which I found surprising given the German reputation for efficiency.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,325 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    There is a fcuking form for everything. A ridiculous amount of paperwork and bureaucracy.

    There's some thing that are great. You can get a thing called a schufa which is a credit check. It's also based on your rental history so your landlord can make sure you're a good tenant. However it took me 4 weeks to get and it was a paper copy that had a reference number that I could put online. So it made my apartment hunt easier when I got it but made it impossible until I got it.

    I had to register at the local city to say I live here. If I move I have to register again. My landlord had to give me a form to say I lived here.

    When i started work they asked if I was private or public health insurance. I had no idea. Turns out that work will pay into either but I have to sign up myself. After googling I found there's about 200 insurers. So I chose one that had an english language website :)


    Frankfurt has the largest number of Irish people in Germany. There's a few hundred there. It's becaise there's Irish semi state orgs there. I believe it's Bord Bia and the IDA.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,603 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That sounds horrible. I can just move around the UK as I please. Well, the three places where I can get a job that is. I shan't be relocating to Ayr any time soon.

    I didn't know that about Frankfurt. I was looking at Mainz at one point (I know it's nearby) as BioNTech are based there. Then I saw the mess that is the housing situation.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,564 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Reputations, both good and bad, are largely bullshit.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,603 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Largely but not entirely. A lot of Irish people drink a fair bit, a lot of English people are quite polite, etc...

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    “ I find a lot of them have the same friends since kindergarten “

    they sound like Galway people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,325 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    The housing situation isn't that bad. It's probably better than the UK and definitely better than ireland. When I moved to Dusseldorf I rented a huge place in the city centre for the same price as my tiny apt in kildare.

    It's getting harder to find places in city centres but if you're willing to have a short commute it gets a lot cheaper. There's a town called Mulheim near here. Very cheap to live in. Locals refer it it as a large town. It has 100k people there.

    Check out the prices there. https://www.immobilienscout24.de/Suche/de/nordrhein-westfalen/muelheim-an-der-ruhr/wohnung-mieten


    Edit to add: check out this place. It's small and needs furnishing but it can be rented for 365 a month inc heating. Can you imagine that price anywhere in Ireland?

    https://www.immobilienscout24.de/expose/143405491?referrer=RESULT_LIST_LISTING&navigationServiceUrl=%2FSuche%2Fcontroller%2FexposeNavigation%2Fnavigate.go%3FsearchUrl%3D%2FSuche%2Fde%2Fnordrhein-westfalen%2Fmuelheim-an-der-ruhr%2Fwohnung-mit-einbaukueche-mieten%3FenteredFrom%253Dresult_list%26exposeId%3D143405491&navigationHasPrev=true&navigationHasNext=true&navigationBarType=RESULT_LIST&searchId=f16b249f-a1a2-3a2e-9aad-afbb6511b87f&searchType=district#/



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,603 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I was unclear. What I meant by "mess" was having to buy kitchens and floorboards for a rental. Nice to know that the situation is better than Ireland. I looked at rentals in Athlone the other day. There was one place for a reasonable 630E/month. The second place was over 1,000. Those were the cheapest.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,325 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Floorboards is really unusual. But I'd say about 20% of them come with kitchens. I was surprised when I saw all the photo's of kitchens without anything in them. I wasn't arsed buying a kitchen so i rented a place with one. And went to ikea for most of my furniture. Over the course of my first year it's still a lot cheaper than renting in ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,764 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    This makes me sick of this country:



    We need to start removing/refusing EU citizens who can't support themselves.

    Workers here face 48.5% marginal tax rate on any income over a modest 40k.

    Meanwhile, we are paying to support the lifestyle of imported criminals with 11 children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Would make you wonder if there is any point working in this country when you see the **** that is going on.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,603 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Really? That is interesting. Some of those places look seriously nice!

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    There is welfare fraud anywhere welfare exists. And he's been caught.

    The fact is there is a job for everyone in this Country who wants one, which means taxes going out in jobseekers is at an all time low. So of course its worthwhile working, don't make the distinction over the odd fraudulent scumbag.

    P.S. we can't remove EU citizens, except over criminal activity. I'm quite certain there are Irish citizens living in other EU states who aren't supporting themselves either. That's the whole point of the EU and the positives outweigh the negatives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,764 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Staying in another EU state for over 90 days

    If you want to remain in an EU, EEA state or Switzerland for more than 90 days, you may be asked to show that you are:

    • In employment
    • Self-employed
    • A full time student with health insurance and money to support yourself
    • You have money to support yourself and health insurance (for you and your family) without state assistance

    Qualifying family members of EU citizens, EEA nationals and Swiss citizens from these categories also have a right to live in another state for more than 90 days. See ‘Family members’ below for more information.

    If you stay in another EU or EEA state or Switzerland for over 90 days and are not in any of the above categories, you could be given a Removal Order.

    In Ireland, EU, EEA or Swiss citizens do not have to register their presence in the State with the authorities. This means that you will not have to show that you are in one of the above categories unless:

    • Your spouse, partner or dependent family member is not from the EU, EEA or Switzerland and is applying for residence
    • You apply for a social assistance payment and must satisfy the Habitual Residence Condition
    • You apply for permanent residency for yourself, and/or your family (this is available after 5 years’ lawful residence)

    You can read more about residence rights of EEA citizens.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,764 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    We could do more to reduce it.

    A man in Cork claimed his father's pension and his own JSA for 33 years.


    Also, there are close to 40,000 construction workers on the Live Register in a housing crisis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,325 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    But, and I realise this is a slippery slope argument, it is a slippery slope. Look at the stories of people in the UK who are refused universal credit. They're assessed by idiots who refuse them for the flimsiest of reasons.


    I'd prefer to left a few people abuse the system rather than let genuine people in need suffer. Maybe there's a few little things we could do like expand the number of investigators but I'd hate to see us turn into the UK.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I'd prefer to left a few people abuse the system rather than let genuine people in need suffer.

    There are undoubtedly things that can be done to strike a better balance, but this is what it boils down to. There will always be fraud particularly if we focus on the premise that it's better to not let those genuinely in need suffer as a starting point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,325 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    They're lovely. And this is after a price increase over the last 18 months.

    Dusseldorf is the most expensive city in North Rhine Westphalia. People here complain about the rent. And they can't believe I'm paying over a grand a month. They think I'm crazy. But I have a nearly 100m2 apartment in the centre for the price of a 30m2 apartment in north kildare :)

    BTW, I put in my postcode here and this is what popped up in the search. That's within 5km of Dusseldorf centre.

    https://www.immobilienscout24.de/Suche/radius/wohnung-mit-einbaukueche-mieten?centerofsearchaddress=D%C3%BCsseldorf;40479;Arndtstra%C3%9Fe;;;Pempelfort&geocoordinates=51.23442;6.79311;5.0&enteredFrom=result_list

    Wages here are about the same as in Ireland but it costs so much less to rent. I realise it's different markets. A town here has 100k people. A city in Ireland has that number. Because our population is smaller it's easier for small population fluctuations to have a bigger impact on housing. But with foresight and better planning we wouldn't face half the difficulties we face now. And if housing could be fixed, it would make Ireland far more habitable.

    The strange thing here is that rents are cheaper than buying. Buying here is a lot more than Ireland. I think it's because there's loads of build to rent and they're financed over a longer period of time. They see renting as an investment that matures over a far longer period.

    I realise there's a lot of vested interests in ireland though. Homeowners and landlords especially. If we were to have a surplus of housing, people would own property that's valued at less. Or returns on letting would be lower. But something needs to happen because rents are far too high in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Do small time landlords in Germany get taxed 52% on their rental income? That's an issue here for someone renting out one or two houses.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,603 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Nice!

    You said incomes are about the same. Does that apply to income tax as well? The state I was looking at, Rhineland-Palatinate, is beside NRW if my geography is worth anything.

    I wonder if part of the problem lies in the fact that Germany was once over 300 countries, some of which were extremely wealthy whereas Ireland has historically been a place people fled en masse.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,764 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Employee PRSI is 4% here, and approx 20% in DE.

    Now, in DE, the PRSI covers:

    (1) Health insurance (unlike here, where health is mainly tax-financed)

    (2) State Pension

    (3) UN insurance

    (4) Long-term care insurance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Or do they get taxed on their profit, like here in Ireland? Mortgage capital repayments aren't business expenses, that's just moving your own personal wealth around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,325 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Income tax for me is very slightly higher. But in most jobs you get paid overtime. So my monthly pay is higher than my pay was in Ireland.

    The size of Germany definitely counts to the difference as does the public transport system. Deutsche Bahn gets a lot of **** here. Trans delayed/late etc. But the network is extensive. I'm less than an hour from Dortmund, Essen, Cologne and Bonn. And that's on the slow regional trains. So people can live further out. Space is used better here too. In Ireland we always built out of cities with very low rise developments. Here every street has buildings that are 6 stories tall and you have to get outside the city to find anything like suburban Dublin. If Dublin was built like German cities it'd probably take up 1/4 of the size. And would have far better transport networks because the smaller size would make it more efficient.

    Plus people in Germany have more options to move to. I work in tech. In Ireland I'm tied to Dublin and maybe cork. So if prices are too high in one place here, people can easilly move elsewhere.

    That's not to say that there's no difficulties here. Berlin has received a lot of attention recently. But it's still nowhere near as bad as Ireland as a whole. Munich is supposed to be bad as well but at least people can move further away. It's harder to do that in ireland.

    I think in Ireland we've gotten so used to higher rents over the last 20 years that the idea that someone could rent a good 30m2 apartment for under 500 a month is just an alien concept to us. It would be laughed at. And that's unfortunate because it's something we should be aiming for.



  • Registered Users Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    Any job board suggestions for German tech jobs? ideally with re-location



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,603 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Not tech but I keep an eye on de.indeed.com and linkedin. Not having any luck (life sciences) but YMMV.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    Someone renting out one or two houses is taxed in exactly the same manner as somebody with high PAYE income, somebody working overtime, somebody working a 2nd job, somebody starting a business while in PAYE employment.

    A small landlord in Ireland is not treated differently for being a landlord. Our taxation system is applied to their income (and itssctually their rental profits after deducting mortgage interest, letting agent fees, repairs and maintenance costs and more).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,325 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I was pissed off with my job in Ireland. I switched my linkedin profile to "available for opportunities" and there was an option as to where I wanted to work. One of the options was "European union" so I ticked it and about 48 hours later had a message from a German recruiter.

    So I didn't even go looking. I'd agree with ancapailldorcha that linkedin is probably the best. Everything is on there now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    Both my wife and myself are leaving our jobs in a few weeks. We are going to take a couple of years off and enjoy free time, hobbies and travelling. We are going to get the dole (the hoops you have to jump through for this if you simply want to stop working for a while are another story) while we do this plus we have savings. The prospect of half your money every month going to tax just annoys me now at this point in my life. Id rather just have 40 or 50 hours back to myself rather than be a wage slave. My company pulling us back to office working helped me along the way too.

    But last week I posted what we were doing somewhere and suddenly my inbox is full every day with recruiters both in Ireland and abroad looking for me to contact them. There are plenty of jobs out there if you are looking but tax is just too high in Ireland, especially for what you get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,865 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    "There are plenty of jobs out there if you are looking but tax is just too high in Ireland, especially for what you get."

    You just described getting quite a bit; the ability to quit working yet continue to receive money without working, and free health care. That's a pretty good return on your taxes. Despite the taxes, it seems you earned enough to put away for emergencies at least, another good thing that the banks are secured.

    I think you've got a very sweet gig planned, thanks to Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,325 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Our tax is about the same as every other western country.


    But you're right about regards to what you get.

    Every other european country has better services and planning.

    In some way's we're not much different to other countries. In other countries they will complain about certain services lacking. Governments never do anything perfectly. However there's no country in europe like Ireland when it comes to accommodation shortage. It's our single biggest problem and it's entirely of our own making.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    Well if you knew the hoops we had to jump throguh th get the dole as working people who just want a break you would laugh.

    Also we saved hard for 30 years and had to jump through even more hoops to hide money so that we could get the dole. This after paying so much tax over the years. We both had good jobs all that time and its the jobs that looked after us not the tax system. The tax system took a lot of money from us for very little very little value from it for us. We worked in other countries for many years and thats where most of our savings and the money to buy a house in Ireland came from in the first place. Dubai was a great place to work if it wasnt so hot. We squirreled away some amount of savings there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,865 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    It shouldn't be easy to get the dole, especially in the case of a voluntary lifestyle change like you're making. The fact your taxes paid into it is returning now, isn't it? Likewise, whatever your parent's generation paid in to supply free Uni education. And on, and on.

    And your fellow Irish citizens will fund your lux lifestyle. Enjoy!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    No. I will fund my lifestyle as well as that of many others who never worked a day in their lives. I paid enough tax over the years in Ireland to pay me the dole for the rest of my life as well as put a heap of kids through school. I intend to enjoy it. I am definitely a net contributor to revenue and I will get only a fraction of that back.

    Over 50% tax on any overtime or extra work you do is just unfair to the people who get up in the morning tbh.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    complains about system

    uses same system for benefits :-D

    completely get where you're coming from, but what you described is now an oxymoron...

    can't grudge though, enjoy the time off !!



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