Nottingham Attacks

What’s the point in locking someone up and not trying to rehabilitate them so when they eventually get out they don’t repeat the crime? Society should not be based on vengeance, imo.

The guy will probably not die in prison. He’s only in his early 30’s. He’ll probably be released in 20-30 years. Wouldn’t it be better for the world if he had been through some treatment?

You seem to be more concerend of the timing this migrant murderer tried to get into the care home to stab people.

You then brush it off and say you hope he gets the help he needs.

So we will try again are you serious, is this what you absolutely believe is needed here and this murderer should be put under the care of the British mental health services and in your own words rehabilitated

I mentioned the timing once and also said it doesn’t make much difference anyway. Do you think that makes me more concerned about the timing than anything else?

I brushed it off as it was just an observation, that’s all.

So, let’s try again. How about this? What benefit to society is there in imprisoning this man for a long time, but not giving him the therapy he’ll need should he ever get out of prison?

I absolutely believe prison should be for punishment, deterrence AND for rehabilitation.

Ive heard it said by UK criminals that Islam is the main unofficial/gang force in the many of the UK prisons these days.

Yes.

When you are explaining you are losing.

OK then.

This migrant never had a benefit to society. He was a drain and has now carried out a heinous act on the very society that was supporting him. I dont believe a person like this should ever be allowed out in society again. 3 life sentences and attempted murder charges should be enough for any life in prison conviction. Providing rehabilitation services to a person like this is just taking it away from someone else that might actually need it.

Thats fine you can stand by your convictions and I'll stand by mine.

The poor cratur. God love him. Somebody should alleviate his suffering and inform him that Flaneur OBrien has a room for him in his gaff once he gets out after his successful "rehabilitation"

Not offensive to me at all. No idea why you think I would find it so. I highly doubt this man will die in prison (he could get killed there, but I’m talking about natural causes/old age).

I’m not convinced he’s a monster yet. I think that title should be reserved for serial killers, rapists, molesters and torturers. I’ll hold off on giving my opinion on whether he’s a monster or not until the court case occurs and the evidence is laid out. Right now, the motive hasn’t been released and we don’t even know if this was a premeditated act.

Do you believe that there is a difference between

A: a premeditated murder.

B: a mental break that leads someone to kill someone.

C: a crime of passion that leads someone to kill someone in the heat of the moment.

The courts thankfully see that there are differences between murder/manslaughter/murder by reason of insanity.

Who knows where we’ll be in 30 years or so?

True. We might have to seek asylum over to where this lunatic came from, the rate at where it's going.

I find it a bit pathetic when newspapers like the Guardian (and no doubt those closer to home) tiptoe around the identity of the alleged attacker. Took ages for me to read that he is Black African,

It's equally pathetic the way people immediately dump on Immigrants in general.

Why can't we just state the facts of the case?

In any event, I am sure that young adult males in a foreign country with little of no stabilising influence form family and community networks will be more prone to violent behaviour. That goes for young Irish abroad as well.

Whatever the exact circumstances, we should think more of the victims and their families.

Wait wait, you are telling me the authorities in this part of the world have no idea what they are doing? That nothing they stand over ever works? Well colour me f**ked

Where has mental illness been confirmed?

There is a difference between mental health and mental illness. Looking after your mental health is important as it's always there, like nutritional diet and physical activity. Mental illness affects a person's ability to function over a prolonged period of time. It can impact how they see themselves, how they see or interpret the world around them, and how they interact with the world. Depending on their diagnosis they could feel distressed regularly and may not feel in control of their lives. for example. It's not the same as feeling sad, unhappy, disgruntled, or stressed because of particularly difficult situations. The only confirmation so far is that he 'had a history of mental health issues'. That's not a confirmation of him being mentally ill. mentally ill or not, they are responsible for their actions.

In France, a psychiatrist and other doctors have deemed the Syrian Annecy attacker fit to face charges & was charged with attempted murder, so goodgood