Hundreds Feared Drowned In Migrant Boat Sinking

This is really tragic but yes, people shouting at the EU and calling them murderers and blaming this on their asylum policy are wrong, I think

Pointless giving money to Tunisia when the main traffic flow is coming from the utter conflict ridden disaster zone of Libya.

A disaster ultimately orchestrated by the USA and its European lackeys when they allowed Islamists to de-facto run rampant over the entire area and turn it into a total failed state.

At some stage the EU will have to decide if they set up a shuttle service from Libya or try and stop unlimited people smugglers making a fortune

Australia stopped it successfully.

Target the "NGOs" who facilitate the smugglers, target the smugglers who organize and anyone who comes on such to be fingerprinted, and never granted Access or support in Europe and returned home or to a holding facility far offshore.

Problem solved.

The EU, the NGOs involved they all played their part in this. They'll be back at it again tomorrow, no skin off their nose.

How did they fix it? Just suppress the numbers so it's no longer a problem

You are talking absolute utter horse$hit. Modern day Libya is a de-facto failed state basically ran by about 24 Islamist warlords that control the land area by the sea that are all killing each other over territory to control the highly profitable market in glamping money from people trying to flee that and other failed states. That is not in Libya's "history". That is a recent disaster ultimately brought about by the USA and it allies complicity in ultimately destroying the country back in 2011.

Oh, human trafficking racket I see. There's nothing in the RTE report about that or the ethnicity of the victims though. And were these mostly women and children?

A lot of people are economic migrants typically and typically men

See poster above

But it's well known the makeup of those crossing

In the same way that there's a much higher number of women and children in the numbers if Ukrainians coming here

For the same reasons

The Rwanda policy was the only real trace of progress in the UK for small boats, and hasn't worked. Those who oppose it in order to 'do the right thing' and help the poor migrants are ultimately causing people to sink and die in the channel, just like this one in the Med.

Same dynamic for the Mediterranean.

They'll keep trying, encouraged by govt bumbling and social media success stories, and we'll keep seeing awful events like this one.

Whatever system is in place is clearly fuked.

It should have been a total lockdown on the dangerous practice first, ... and then the bumbling for the right answer.

Close the door first, and then bumble and discuss.

Find a Rwanda style proxy, arrest on arrival and fly them there. Its mathematically the less cruel option, guaranteed.

If Europeans really want the Africans to stay in Africa, I might suggest the dividends from decades of first world protectionism need to be invested back into Africa in ways not radically dissimilar from The Marshall Plan.

The US has a similar history of exploiting South America by similar means and with limited regard to re-investing in South American economies. Otherwise I don't know how you stop this boating activity, it's happened all around the world in other places (eg. Cuba in the 90s after the fall of communism, the Elian Gonzales drama, etc)

Indeed, the EU have blood on their hands for allowing this to keep going on.

Basically you want Europeans going there and taking over.

Sky News saying men rescued as women and kids were below so likely gone down with the boat, awful

Billions of Aid has been sent to Africa and sadly it hasn't made much difference.

I'm all for Europe paying to improve Africa as a continent and improving its infrastructure, education etc like the Marshall plan and I think it would be a good idea but I think the only way it would work (due to the corruption levels in most African countries) would be if the countries giving the aid were in charge of what was done with the money and of course then they'll be accused of colonialism if they do that.

I'd be all for pumping Africa full of contraceptives to stop people having far too many children they cannot provide a decent life for but that would probably be considered racist by a lot of people and won't be allowed to happen.

The fact is most African countries have been independent for over 50 years now, if they can't run themselves even somewhat competently in that time then who's fault is it.

The fact that governments in Africa seem to not have been able to work out by now that if you have a non temperate climate that makes food production more difficult then it is not a good idea to have a continually increasing population. You have countries like Ethiopia and Kenya where the population has increased 5 fold in the last 50 years despite it clearly not being able to sustain such a population.Surely the United Nations (if it has any purpose at all) would have been able to introduce large scale contraceptive programmes in the last 50 years to help stop people having children they can't give an even half decent life to.

This is as bad as alt right arguments that the US slavery was fine because someone did it first.

Europe and the US both had the choice, and made the choice, to abolish the slave trade. Why would protectionism be any different or be excused by someone did it first. It's a bit like we both came across the same comatose woman behind a dumpster and have been having a good go at her ever since just because other people were there doing it before we shoved them off. It doesn't make anything about it right. Protectionism creates an engineered inequality and system of exploitation we are always at liberty to abolish.

I didn't see anyone mention it as reparations. The Marshall Plan wasn't reparation money, it was money the US invested in Europe to rebuild it after WW2 because a) it was the right thing to do and b) it was really good business and c) we already has a cold war policy of opposing communism. It was also not free from accusations it was imperialism. But sure what would the alternative been if we had not done that though either: a massive, massive influx of refugee and migration charter ships from Europe to the United States, people whose economies were buried under rubble. Its natural for people to flock from areas of instability to areas of stability.

Well we exploit the world's riches. And in the process cause a lot of the worlds issues, like energy wars, iran-contra, and picking and choosing warlords to ensure cheap access to raw materials and goods.

Again, this isn't about 'reparations' you aren't hearing me.

Yeah, endless foreign interventionism, imperialism, and protectionism can have that effect, but whatever right.

And who is allowing the exploitation to happen?

Nobody can force the DRC to use child labour in it's cobalt mines.They as a country have decided to allow this to happen.

Ireland made it's first great leap forward as a country under Lemass, that was prior to joining the EU , so your point about the EU isn't really true at all.

I'm not sure you realise that what you want is basically some sort of Apartheid era South Africa extended all over that continent.