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Neighbours Satellite dish on my chimney

  • 13-06-2023 6:48pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭


    Hi Guys! Just need a bit of advice here.

    I live in a semi-detached house, and it has recently come to my attention that our neighbours have erected their dish to my side of our (shared) chimney stack. The dish is facing to the front of my house, which i understand to be contrary to planning laws.

    I asked him to remove it and he was less than helpful/co-operative, so I am in no mood to do him any favours.

    What are my options? Is this illegal? I understand this is against planning laws, so would the local council be able to remove it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,113 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It is against planning - has to be on the rear or side. You might find the standard method of installing to the rear when the chimney has a better sighline to be rather ugly (a pole on the back wall lifting the dish over the view of the ridge - the satellite constellation is not flat in the sky so it doens't have to lift it the entire height) though.

    Is it installed using lashing kits (wire around the chimney) or drilled in? Drilling in can cause damage, as can badly done lashing kits actually. You don't want a damaged chimney stack.

    Councils do occasionally enforce against this, but they may have the opinion that its your responsibility being on your side of the shared stack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Long Sean Silver


    it is situated on the front of the chimney stack, pointing at a 45 degree angle to the side. it is drilled as far as i can see. i will contact the local council to see what if anything they might do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,113 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I meant it has to be on the rear or side of the house - any side of the chimney stack requires planning. Which wouldn't ever be given.

    Drilled gives an angle of "you have damaged my (shared) chimney" for further action, but this is likely to be quite messy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,288 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    I would get a councillor on side before contacting the council. There's a chance they could just hold you responsible since it's on your property.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Long Sean Silver


    assuming the council prove to be less than useful, what would you say to sending a Solicitor's letter? i don't have much of a relationship with my neighbours, so upsetting them will not unduly concern me.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Having a relationship which is elevated to hostile with the other occupant of a semi detached house, should always be a concern for obvious reasons. If it’s a shared chimney and doesn’t really affect your life, what’s the point in elevating the hostility?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,753 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    Why would someone in a built up area put in a satellite dish in this day and age... no need for them anymore once broadband is available...

    I had an apartment years ago. Neighbor's above put in a satellite dish... where they mounted it they allowed water in that came down through the interior walls into our apartment...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 812 ✭✭✭CreadanLady


    Just to clarify, the council would have the power to take enforcement action against him for planning reasons. The council though would absolutely not come out and remove it - it is not theirs, not on their property, and nothing to do with them apart from their role as a planning authority.

    There really is no point talking to a councillor. They would have little to no specialist knowledge on planning, and they have no input whatsoever on planning applications. They are just elected joe soap representatives of the electorate - they are not responsible for the day to day running and administration of the council.

    The MFV Creadan Lady is a mussel dredger from Dunmore East.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,891 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Is this a fight worth fighting ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,430 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Have you asked your neighbour about it? Might be the first step before solicitors letters put you in a bad light.

    MasteryDarts Ireland - Master your game!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,955 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The OP said:

    I asked him to remove it and he was less than helpful/co-operative, so I am in no mood to do him any favours.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,430 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Thanks, I did mean now that we've established it isn't legal etc.

    MasteryDarts Ireland - Master your game!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Long Sean Silver


    yes I told him it was not legal and he just dismissed that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Long Sean Silver


    the dish itself is not really a problem, but it's his attitude that really annoys me. i mean i wouldn't dare put anything on someone else's property, and then dismiss them when questioned about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,031 ✭✭✭SteM


    I'd be careful starting an argument with anyone I shared a party wall with. There's one thing having no relations with your neighbour, it's another thing to have bad relations with your neighbour. Things can get very ugly, very quickly when you share a party wall. Believe me, I know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,430 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Fair enough, you've tried the decent thing and he's rejected that so it's on him, first stop would be to raise an objection with the council re. planning, then if necessary go the legal route.

    MasteryDarts Ireland - Master your game!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,589 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Could always stick a flag or something else on his side of the chimney and see how that goes? 😀

    100% this. If it's in any way a house you want to stay in long term then you need to figure out a way of getting on well with your neighbours.

    If you removed the party wall in a semi D you'd be sitting in a big room watching TV with the household next door. Semi Ds are pretty much just one big house with no doorways between each half. You're under the same roof as another family.

    So something to consider before kicking off a massive fuss. Not sure what I'd do myself to be honest, part of me wants to let it slide but there's another part of me that absolutely hates satellite dishes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,261 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Is your neighbour an owner or a renter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,225 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Jeez, OP, you really do love a good argument, don't you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭AlanG


    Just remove it without damaging it and drop it into him nicely. It's no different than if he put up a pole in your back garden with it. Why would you not be willing to take it out of your property. Should be easy with a socket set. Its on your property, if you go to the planning department it will be your problem, not the owner of the item.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,430 ✭✭✭bladespin


    I'd agree with this, carefully removing and returning something from your property sounds pretty reasonable.

    MasteryDarts Ireland - Master your game!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,753 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    Unless it involves electricity and requires disconnection from the power source, which has the potential to effect the other parties supply...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,113 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Satellite LNB power is max 18v and produced by the satellite box. It is entirely safe to just unscrew the F connectors from the LNB.

    This is not advice on legality or sensibility!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,430 ✭✭✭bladespin


    MasteryDarts Ireland - Master your game!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The op could have a legal right to do so, he/she then just has to deal with the law of unintended consequences. There isn’t a world in which relations don’t plummet when the op knocks on the door with the neighbours dish in hand. The longest day the op is living there, the neighbour will look to screw him over in any way possible, not a good situation to be in when you share a roof, guttering, facade, garden wall, and most importantly, an internal wall. If the neighbour wants to be particularly vindictive, just turn a loud radio on before going on holiday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,261 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Are we really there yet, in terms of replacing all cable or satellite TV with streaming through broadband? I'm not sure I want to be dependent on the various player apps for all my inputs, or switching my tv settings to UK to access the All4 app then back to Ireland to access the RTE Player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,113 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Sky offer their service entirely streamed now (in the UK anyway - not sure here), and the Vodafone and (awful) Eir services are also entirely streamed. All of these are using their own gear and streams

    If you want decent TV free and reliably you will still need a dish and aerial for the foreseeable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,753 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    Sky just laid off their dish installation and support team in Ireland... their service is all streaming...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭ssshhh123


    Just get on with your life instead of moaning about a dish. The world won't end.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,113 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Plenty of places can't get fast enough broadband to stream so pulling new dish installs would be quite unwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,275 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Obviously not the case in this instance, but, some folk access quite a large range of services via satellites other than 28.2e. be that via a multi-lnb setup or a motorised dish. Similarly if someone wants to use Irish Freeview TV in an area that has poor coverage, it's accessed via Saorsat with a dish pointed to 9e.

    There are lots of reasons for Sat use even in an age of decent BB and app access.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭septictank


    Few years back I received a letter from DCC telling me to remove my dish from the chimney. Contacted the enforcement officer named on the letter, explained it was SKY that installed it on the Chimney and was told I had X amount of time to remove it.

    Turned out he was a nice enough lad, told me a neighbour had complained about all the dishes on the road and 9 had to come down. Contacted Sky who quoted me €100 to do the work, told them to end my contract or do it for free, which they did.

    1 of my neighbours payed the €100 was mad when I told him I didn't.

    Can't be on the front of a house, can't be above the ridge tile. They put it on an arm off the back of my house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭mvt


    Get it off the chimney asap or you will have problems with the chimney in the near future.

    Make sure to plug any remaining holes.

    Also check the tiles in the area where someone must have being standing to erect this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,261 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Not according to their website;

    I know Glass is their streaming option, but dishes are definitely still an option for them.

    Are many people going for an all-streaming solution these days? I presume this rules out the option for 'record and skip the ads' which is fairly important for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,627 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Sky Screen is available in Ireland too but there are a (small) number of channels excluded plus there is no recording service - there is a catch up service but this is not the same thing as programmes are removed after a certain period of time. There will continue to be satellite service for some time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    If its a semi D can he not put it on his gable side to get it to face the same direction as it is above on the chimney? - Also is that not the most awkward place to put it - I would like to know why they went to that length to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭greasepalm


    I have no intent of removing my motorised or 2 other fixed dishes as i love to tinker



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,753 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    Motorized satellite dishes? Do you have to change the positions to get signal? Sounds like a faff to me...



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    To pick up signals from different satellites I suspect, Sky ain’t the only one in the sky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,753 ✭✭✭Bluefoam




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    I suppose it depends on whether you can understand the technology, and its benefits. I wouldn’t be bothered with it myself, but I have neighbours who are not European and they have one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭greasepalm


    Yes to pick up signals on different sats dish has to move to that setting and more than likely tv channels are encrypted but some amount of radio channels to listen too. 20 years ago people wanted other things to play with.

    I wont have all my eggs in the same basket with IPTV as if BB crashed Freesat still works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Long Sean Silver




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭thomas 123




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,514 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    It’s your property , the fact they just dismissed you shows they are a wan**r.

    take it down and hand it back,

    Edit: did they install the dish themselves or was it a company. If it’s a company try find out tell them to come remove it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Long Sean Silver


    not a company. he got one of his cowboy buddies to install it. problem is i'm not too keen on heights and i really dont want to have to risk life & limb climbing up on the roof.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 41,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    If you were to take it down, hebwould then accuse you of damaging his property (this dish). Better off getting him to pay for it to be professionally removed and for the damage during installation repaired.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Long Sean Silver


    Good point. I am through trying to discuss this with him, so I'll send him a letter requesting he remove it within a reasonable time-frame (2 weeks). I will say if he doesn't, then I will take the matter up with a Solicitor and will seeking full costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,060 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Keep us updated please OP!

    I notice our neighbour had installed their dish directly in front of my dish the other day, as in the LNB of mine is pointed at the back of theirs now, I doubt it was an aggressive move just stupidity and all my channels are still coming through somehow so I suppose Ill just accept it for the sake of the quite life...



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