"Experienced" drivers lacking knowledge or rules of the road

The only way for the OP's manoeuvre to be correct here is if the car already at the roundabout is indicating right, and even then allow for the fact they may be going straight on.

There's a roundabout near Tesco in Liffey valley which hardly anybody seems to know how to drive around properly.

For a while the lanes on approach weren't marked but then they explicitly marked them and installed bollards on it to enforce correct lane discipline, those bollards are mostly gone no cos of idiots driving over them from al directions.

The only problem, though it is a rather large one, with that roundabout is that some moron somewhere designated that the right lanes should have a straight arrow rather than right turn only which it should. There would be no need for merging then.

If you were to follow the signs to the letter you can't actually turn right at that roundabout!

Very few people use the car horn correctly, its to alert other road users of your presence.

I'm glad you didn't bet your house on that assertion. I wonder would it be reasonable from this assertion that it's possible to guarantee that young recently passed drivers never break the Rotr? Personally I think both assertions are equally daft

Really irritating, owners of premium cars especially seem to think using indicators are beneath them.

Yet it brings us back to: Is there a left and right lane at that roundabout?

This rule allows taking either left or right for 12 o'clock. It doesn't specify if it's to including or excluding 12 o'clock. If there are no narrows on the surface, I always prefer taking the left lane for 12 o'clock exit as I think it's safer and easier. If there's anyone on the right lane exiting at the same spot and there only one exit lane, I assume they have no priority over me because they are changing lane from second to first while exiting. However, that's not ideal. I obviously disagree with the OP who has created and additional lane - over one approach lane the OP made additional one. If the approach to the roundabout has 2 lanes and the exit is at 12 has only one lane, there's a problem as we have drivers form two lanes exiting same time at the same spot. They both feel right and may assume having a priority. Also, we have many roundabouts in Dublin with 2 exit lanes when the left one merges due to a the left lane shortly becoming a Bus Lane. So most drivers don't bother using the left lane and merging - they simply take the right lane and exit at 12 to the second lane. Not that it's bad, just saying that there's no consistency. If traffic is backing up at the roundabout approach, narrows on the surface isn't visible as blocked by cars. So any roundabout with the narrows should be complemented by road signs with same guiding narrows. If there are no narrows, then the above rule applies. However, there should always be narrows for roundabouts when there are more lanes at approach than the exit. That's not always the case. Some roundabouts have narrows, but they are too old to clearly be visible. Road sign would definitely be helpful in such cases, not mentioning snow or rain on surface which makes it harder to see these narrows.

Furthermore, I've seen roundabouts with the exit at 12.30-1 o'clock. The right lane should be taken at approach for such exits, but some people aren't that great with geometry and judging in a few seconds. They often assume. No narrows doesn't help and then people make bad decisions taking the left lane.

Inconsistency, lack of signage and bad roundabout provision is a massive problem in Ireland.

If you think it's ok to take the right lane for 12 o'clock then you've a lot to learn

Was the car waiting at the roundabout indicating?

Have you read all of my post? I clearly stated using the left lane for 12 o'clock and simply expressed my attitude towards those who use the second. I simply expressed my interpretation of the wording of the rule. Your reaction isn't very adequate, I'd say. I see no issue other drivers using the second lane as the rules aren't clearly worded on this (is it that the second lane is between 12 o'clock and onwards including 12 o'clock itself?) and the Internet is full of pictures with such schemes showing that it's allowed to use the second lane for going straight. They might be not for Ireland. But even Donegal news FB is sharing such a picture stating it's approved by Donegal Gardai. Personally to me English is not the first language and I've simply exchanged my EU licence to the IE without any exam. Meaning there are lots of drivers who have IE licence, but might be driving based on their EU ROR. Many EU rules ban indicating on approach to the roundabout and don't allow to exit a roundabout from the second lane - a change to the first lane before the exit is required if not stated differently by signs at the particular roundabout. No reason to get upset or angry for each of those who use a wrong lane as we see them every single day, at least in Dublin. So before reacting in such manner I'd advise you to chill out first and think what is that you've got to learn today 😉 We need to firstly understand the context that the Irish government doesn't even give a simple leaflet with roundabout pictures, nor require to pass at least a simplified theory drivers test on exchange of the EU licence to the IE. So you can get frustrated as much as you'd like to those drivers who may not even realise that they are in wrong.

Now, can you be useful and give me a link to the official RSA picture where it shows that a driver who approached a roundabout at the second lane can't use the second exit at 12 o'clock? And can you explain why the AA stating that either, left and right lane can go straight at 12? This conflicts with what you say.

"Going straight ahead (exiting at 12), you can use either lane – generally keep left, but if there is a long queue turning left, then you can take the right lane. If your exit is after 12 o’clock (ie. any exit to the right), then approach the roundabout in the right lane."

Not difficult to find some pictures from the UK stating that the second lane is either for 12 o'clock exit or anything after while the left lane can also use the 12 o'clock exit. I struggle to find a trustworthy Irish source, only the AA so far.

You created your own lane out of nowhere but a Garda said you were correct........mmmmmmmmmm.

Agree with this for 2 lane entrance, but I would adjust one word and one clarification in the description (I think it s probable there)

"If taking any exit AFTER The 12 o'clock to the 6 o'clock position....Right Hand Lane

Adding

....Unless the lanes are marked otherwise

But I always wonder one question when following this rule above.

Should you follow the actual roundabout as built or the markings on the sign approaching a roundabout, because sometimes the 12 o'clock exit does not always match the sign??

I guess you follow the sign, as some time of large roundabouts you cannot see where exactly the exit is?

Ok, so the rules are simple. Left lane exits before 12 o'clock and going straight once it's at 12 o'clock. Right lane for after 12 o'clock not including 12 o'clock. If the road markings indicate left turn only, then obv use the right lane for any other exits.

But in your case with this roundabout, I can see the confusion. Where there actually two lanes of traffic in that road before you came to the roundabout, or did you just form two lanes when you got to it?

Good luck to them with their premium insurance rates when someone finally hits them due to this nonsense.

1. Old man drivers - they drive slowly, they believe they are the best drivers, they believe they are never wrong
2. Middle age women drivers - They direct traffic from their cars using hand gestures and flashes, they think they own the road, they think they know better than the rules of the road
3. Taxi drivers - they pull up where they like/obstruct the flow of traffic, they bend the rules
4. Boy racers - Are actually very pleasant during the day but lose points for driving like d!cks in the middle of the night
5. Old women drivers - drive too slowly but are otherwise good
6. Women drivers - Excellent
7. Male drivers - Excellent and respect the bodywork.

This is my list of worst drivers, 1 being worst.

Walkinstown, D12 is more difficult to me because of 3 lanes at approach and no narrows on the road. It's a bit difficult to judge if the exit is just a little before, past or exactly at 12 o'clock, because the entry to the roundabout due to 3 lanes at approach is so wide that depending on which lane you're in, a view angle is different and a perspective is different. Example, do we judge about the 12 o'clock angle from the perspective of the way our vehicle is positioned or from the centre of the road position?

Approach is either 2 or 3 lanes, exits are always 1 lane in this roundabout. 2 lanes is ok: left for anything including 12 and right lane for anything beyond 12 excluding 12. What about a 3 lane approach? First lane for anything up to and including 12 or for a first exit only? Middle is for anything up to and including 12, but not the first exit? Third lane at approach is anything past 12 and excluding 12?

This obviously doesn't apply to the turbo roundabouts which locks you in the lane at approach and leads all the way to the exit without a need of changing lanes within the roundabout.

I use a Walkinstown roundabout odd times and found that most drivers are extra careful and very accommodating, but silly situations happen. I myself have a habit to change lanes between the exits to make sure I'm exiting from the outer lane of the roundabout itself. Say, if I approach the roundabout from the third lane, I gradually change to the second and between the other exits to the first. But some drivers leave this roundabout from the third (inner) lane. I find it disturbing. Even a habit of exiting a roundabout from the second lane of the roundabout I find odd, but as far as I know that allowed? There's a huge possible conflict here. Would be much easier to just change a lane and get ready to exit orderly. Why just some people do that?

Thank you 😊