Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Oh no, not white man's burden at all — simply an appreciation for how the world has always worked (people gravitate towards where they believe there is prosperity), combined with the Western upholding of the rule of law and individual rights, easier and safer travel between countries, and the fact that all these things combined mean that in the absence of us adopting policies to mercilessly brutalise migrants and refugees it's probably more logical all round that we try to make the best of it. But making the best of it is simply never going to mean that we strike the perfect balance between what is absolutely best for Ireland and what avoids the inflicting or exacerbation of the suffering of people who have done nothing to deserve it.

So it's all well and good to call O'Gorman a gobshite for the stunning intellectual crime of failing to get it all right in the aftermath of a global pandemic shutdown and one of the most significant displacements of people in Europe since the Second World War and our first experience of such a surge of refugees since we became a wealthy country capable of playing a more contributory role — but show me the person who would have nailed this with nothing but universally good outcomes for Ireland and maybe I'll vote for them.

If the stance of the EU is hardening, so be it. Better approaches are needed to try identify those cheating the system, but likewise there needs to be an appreciation that a collaborative sharing of the burden is a better way forward than allowing a small host of countries to do it all for us. I dare say thought, regardless what way it goes, it isn't going to appease those who believe that assisting refugees is contingent on ensuring that it neither disrupts, exacerbates or creates any domestic issue in Ireland.

You forget that the sheer numbers here is also effecting medical services . To date about 10% are employed most in low income jobs and would pay little tax .

Really 🤣

Most will work in minimum wage jobs with no opportunities and realise they have a better life on the dole . They came here for a better life .

Some refugees can work, others require care/treatment for disabilities and medical issues. We don’t even know the persons real name/nationality in many cases as they don’t have any docs with them

Someone born here and living here for years can apply for citizenship.

that little Chinese boy didn't look to overturn anything though, he was trying to stay on humanitarian grounds and will no doubt apply for citizenship when he is old enough.

They are eligible to apply for citizenship when old enough, same as anyone else.

Asylum seekers/refugees can't win with your negative stereotyping

They get jobs - "taking our jobs" "only good for low grade jobs"

They don't get work - "they're scrounging our welfare"

Her social welfare payments were stopped when it was determined her Zimbabwean passport was fake, that the name she was using was fake, and that years of SW payments (€96k) was obtained fraudently ... but wait for it ... her SW payments was re-established once her true South African identity was determined. You couldnt make it up.

I swear, if Carlsberg made social welfare systems ... it would probably never be as good as the Irish system !!!!

Why do you think they have come to Ireland? Give one reason why they chose Ireland

I agree with that statement. Nearly every single woman from certain African country who claim refugee and get citizenship spent the rest of their life here on welfare, recieve HAP or get a council house, and every other benefits going. A lot of the men from these countries also work the benefits systems, doing a few taxi runs for extra cash. You dont need stats to know tgis, every dog on the street in every town around Ireland knows this. These are the con artists.. and people from other countries in north Africa, Georgia, etc are starting to copy them.

I have come across a good few people from Cuban, Syria and Iraq, who got their citizenship, and they all work .. be it engineers or cleaners, they contribute. Ukranians were invited here, snd many have taken jobs in hotels to make extra cash and contribute to the country who have welcomed and helped them.

Most people don't care about what race, ethnicity, or nationality people are that live here.

Those that do care because of the above.....well we knkw.what they are