Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

But there is this perverse "without question, unlimited numbers" narrative. You've seen it, I've seen it, everyone sees it. Every single major political leader here has stated we have to do this. And anybody, any decent person who is questioning this utter madness is labelled "far right" by both establishment media and the elected representatives within the power structure. There is no debate, where do you see any debate on the issue happening with the current establishment power structure Gg? On RTE? On the likes of 'The Irish Times', within Leinster house even? If I am doing a total misrepresentation, then where is it?

The first part of the article

A video from France’s Bordeaux where an alleged migrant of African origin was captured attacking an elderly woman and a child has been going viral on social media. The undated video shows the elderly woman and a child, who is possibly her granddaughter, being pulled down to the ground by the attacker.

And everyone else is labelled " send everybody in without question left wing PBP types " as per your own post ?

So how can anyone take that seriously ?

There is an appetite for restricting numbers more and more I agree , but it is not overwhelming most people's respect for human dignity and wish to help refugees , unlike some of the rhetoric I have seen displayed here on this forum .

I have said before and I will say it again , we do not need extreme politics on either side of the debate as it does more harm to our society than good .

What we need is to tell our politicians on all sides clearly what we want and , let them do what they are bloody paid to and come up with a solution .

I know all my local tds are on email and WhatsApp . I am sure they all are .

We are all well able to use social media.

Email your local representatives all of them. Or your local cumann members .

It's really not that hard to change policy ..if they know that groundswell of opinion is going in a particular direction against them, they will modify their policy.

That's how democracy works .

'Alleged ' . A black man 🙄

Why did you go straight to the quotes from the 2 far right politicians ??

You didn't 'just 'give a ' reason ' .

You made a statement and quoted that which went to bias .

Why would you say I follow blindly ?? 🤣

Because I don't agree with anti immigrant or anti refugee sentiment ? Or with you ?

That's a very narrow view of people thinking they are all blindly following.

So the only intelligent path is the one you are taking ?

And if you know how democracy works, why assume people who speak out against anti migrant stuff are from one particular party ? The results from recent opinion polls show it is an across party debate .

You have no idea what I or others believe but if you actually read people's posts ,you may see more common ground for discussion , rather than just labelling .

You can bang on about " ignoring citizenry" and government and other " power structures " ,( sounds very CT imo ), but no td will ignore a citizen who I puts effort into writing a well worded email or talk at a local meeting .

There have been many an uncomfortable meeting with politicians or soon to be elected reps when people who disagree stand up and talk ..as you can see it causes discomfort here too when we all don't " agree " :)

And nobody is going to be ignored likewise if they speak up. It might not be easy but it beats sitting in stony silence and regretting not giving your opinion , even if contrary to majority .

These guys( politicians) are generally there for the jam, but there will be no jam if their bread isn't buttered , and they know that ,we know that and if you don't, then I am sorry for you , but engaging in CT is a pointless waste of energy ..write an email engage at your local meetings . Work for change instead.

But people like me have spoken up, I have written mails to TDs and Senators expressing my concerns. Not one reply. Probably because I am deemed "far right" like the power structure has chosen to deem me so. A recent poll undertaken by Virgin Media back in February found that up to two thirds of the Irish population stated that the establishment should not continue to take in an unlimited number of refugees.

The political establishment class countered that poll by stating they would ignore it. That it was the work of more imaginary "far right" brainwashing.

Now, continue to ignore the tide all you want, and I agree with you having the right to express your opinion that we should continue with an unlimited number, you do agree that we should have an unlimited number, right?

What I am saying is, and I think it may have rattled you a bit so apologies, but it is the truth, if you continue to ignore the concerns of the population, over two thirds, you are going to raise up a different type of power structure that will take advantage of the ignored widespread concern. And you're not going to like it. And O'Gorman, Varadkar, Martin, O'Donnell, McEntee et al will be in some continental apartment not giving one absolute solitary single $hite about you.

No you haven't rattled me at all . I disagree with your labelling of all people who disagree with the prevailing it seems antimigrant rhetoric.

I disagree with your statement that I believe we should have no limits . That annoys me because it proves you didn't read the posts replying to you , never mind the rest .

Read # 642 again and you will see what I believe, if you are really interested that is .

I also don't think the political establishment should be ignoring what people think but should be trying to get an accurate gauge for the majority of opinion.

I appreciate the apology however , and understand your point , even if I don't agree with the " desperateness " of it , quite yet . Yeah I wouldn't hang my hat on any of the present government leaders giving a sxxxe about me personally but their parties will if they are getting turfed out the next time round .

Ah the health service ...now that's a conversation for another thread ;)

Good post.

It seems to me, (increasingly over time) that our current "leaders" are more intent on serving their masters in Brussels than they are on representing the people who elected them. I cannot help thinking that too many are career minded and have one eye on a future in the EU power structure.

It is becoming clear, that there are major concerns in the country about the direction we are taking.

Now these concerns may or may not be valid. But they need to be taken on board and addressed , rather than being contemptuously ignored which appears to be the case at present.

Why is it not welcome? I'm only factually stating what happened to me last Christmas in a main regional hospital, already under pressure for the last decade that is in a geographical area where hundreds of additional people have been thrown into the geographical equation. Should I not talk about it? Why?

@JP Liz V1 you can quote who you like ...but don't be throwing your hands up saying what's wrong lads when you are called out for bias and misinformation .

What misinformation, I quoted from the links provided

Latest opinion poll (Ipsos / Irish Times June 15th) has SF, FF, FG, SDs, Lab and Greens polling at 85% combined (with most other support going to all sorts of independents). You're in for a huge disappointment if you think there is some big populist anti-'establishment', anti-immigration and anti-refugee movement growing in Ireland.