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Cork City - anti social behaviour etc... what's being done?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭notAMember


    I think the thread needs a new title. Anti social behaviour is a car parked inconsiderately, or not picking up a tissue dropped. Being loud.

    Not stabbings, fighting, kicking sleeping homeless people. That’s just violence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,957 ✭✭✭sporina


    was in The English Market today - long story short - staff are being plagued by some of the folk on the street.. one vendor was v upset over it all..

    on the other hand, I saw a homeless guy who has an intellectual disability being manhandled by the cops the other day (long story).. but it was wrong..

    along with all that I said in my opening post.. basically we have a major problem in the city - with regards to those who are homeless etc..

    I dunno what the solution is but something shud be done.. by council/state - whoever..

    and things have 100% got worse since covid.. dunno why - I am just observing



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    There is a bit of an issue in our apartment block...

    Users of heroin (I assume by the paraphernalia) are using in the car park. Which (for me, with no children) would not bother me so much.

    But not only is there paraphernalia, such as syringes (very much a danger) being left behind, there is also urinating and even defecating going on.

    The security people are aware, but it continues. I wish there was an injecting centre for people to use, and I know that heroin users need to avoid arrest, sadly.

    But it must be very unsettling for people who have children here. And there are a lot of young children in the apartment block.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,957 ✭✭✭sporina


    OMG thats horrendous.. have you written to the authorities etc?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    We have a residents WhatsApp group. Security has been notified alright.



  • Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    Contact management company and copy your landlord, all in writing so there is no denying knowledge. Had similar issue myself about 15 years ago, in a city centre block, my wife was there but I away during week. Once raised with owner it was ended fast, Needs proper security, i.e off duty Garda and some security improvements. The junkies soon move onto the next less secure spot.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Photo evidence has been provided. I think they're just slow to act... But, they will move elsewhere. We need secure centres for heroin users.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,415 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Its an issue in some of the multi storeys in town paticularly the grand parade most expensive one and not stopping drug taking in there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭notAMember




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    It's not really though. Treat heroin addiction like diabetes patients need insulin? The health approach is the only way, not criminalising users.

    Thank you for the link, I will have to read further into it. I'm no expert, just giving my uneducated opinion on the matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Current policy around drug misuse is an abject failure. It has been given half a century to work and the problems are worse. Anyone advocating for this policy and action to continue is dangerously blinkered, imo.

    The health led approach is proven to reduce harm from drug use and even, longterm, reduce drug use. I don't understand why people continuing to push the prohibition view have to be listened to. There is a trove of evidence that their policies make matters worse, it isn't a matter of opinion. However, we seem to form policy based on how people "feel", as opposed to on evidence!



  • Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭BagofWeed


    Well from the viewpoint of a small town solicitor or promotion hungry Garda then the war on drugs has been a complete success.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,415 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Drew harris didnt give much hope to city traders when he was here last week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Yes, saw that. No more overtime, and they are having trouble recruiting. It's hardly surprising. Who would want to be in the gardai these days...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Christ lads last evening was an eye opener for me. I rarely go out in the city but was meant to meet a friend there last nite but he cancelled last minute so decided to have a stroll around. Great buzz around Grand parade, Oliver Plunkett St but around Daunt Square and Paul St very sketchy. I was walking past Subway on Paul St and ducked into that tiny side street to take a call and some guy offers me a blowjob for 50 quid. Mad stuff. This was half 7.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    That's insane! I wouldn't pay more than €20.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I offered him a bigmac and some nuggets but it was rejected. All jokes aside that's mad stuff. The city does need a clean up. Especially that part of it. The knackers sitting around there out of there minds was crazy to look at



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭notAMember



    It really is a horrible situation. You have to be in a desperate state to need to offer strangers that in a cork city sidestreet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 411 ✭✭Robert Nairac


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Or put more simply: take his advice and leave him alone!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,252 ✭✭✭Be right back


    https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/delivery-rider-fights-cowards-who-27327255...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Pretty stupid fighting a guy with a full face helmet on, really!

    Fair play to the delivery guy. Those delivery people get an awful time of it, particularly in Dublin.

    I hope those young fellas are caught and face consequences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,252 ✭✭✭Be right back


    https://www.thejournal.ie/stolen-car-gang-togher-and-northside-cork-6112282-Jul2023/...



  • Registered Users Posts: 411 ✭✭Robert Nairac




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    Scum attacking deliveroo riders is a serious problem in Dublin. It seems to be more of a rare thing in Cork though. Hopefully it stays that way. I'd say there's an element of racism behind it as well, seeing that most deliveroo workers are foreign nationals. That's the motivating factor behind the attacks on them in Dublin imo.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    1. To what benifit?

    2. One of the areas is named in the link you copied.

    3. There is a difference between not doing something and "refusing" to do something. I mean, who did they refuse? You?



  • Registered Users Posts: 411 ✭✭Robert Nairac


    1. To inform. They are writing of cars being stolen in specific areas and refusing to name the locations.
    2. They state it is occurring multiple areas but don't name them.
    3. Semantics. What is the purpose of the article if not to inform? Create some kind of moral panic? Cars are being stolen, gangs of children are roaming certain areas but we won't tell you where so you can take precautions.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Gamb!t


    There was a Whats app vid doing the rounds of some fellas beating the crap out of each other on barrick st.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Perhaps they limit the information because there is ongoing investigations and they don't need interference and speculation by the kind of people who "demand to know".

    Perhaps they fear vigilante acts from those who, "demand to know".

    And, anyway, it seems that while these kids are from certain areas, they are stealing cars allover Cork. If you don't drive a Japanese import, you don't have precautions to take.

    Semantics is, literally, the meaning of words. It's important.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I see some knuckle draggers have torched a school in Balincollig!

    Burning down buildings earmarked for accommodation while crying about a housing crisis doesn't make much sense to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,295 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Library on Grand Parade closed again today because of scum harassing staff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    These people are really starting to give the city a bad name now. It's high time that the powers that be do something about this.

    Post edited by Straight Talker on

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    It's pretty much nationwide. Not particular to Cork, but I agree. Gardaí are way too hands off with these people, imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    The loonies really have crawled out of the woodwork post covid! People have a right to protest, no matter how ridiculous their particular cause is, but harassing and abusing the staff at the library as well as barricading it is not on. With these actions these people have rendered their right to protest as null and void.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,957 ✭✭✭sporina


    walking past Debenhams today.. heard a guy groaning.. turned to my left.. spotted a guy sitting on the ground leaning against the wall/door - middle of his body covered with an opened up sleeping blanket and obviously someone under it.. (4 legs on the ground from under the sleeping bag) .. tis obvious what was happening.. broad daylight..

    no shame.. 2.30pm.. everyone and anyone walking by.. kids too

    some might find this funny but I was disgusted

    rang the Bridewell.. (to get them off the street).. the guard I spoke to said that they can't act on such calls anymore but they would but put me on to to switch board.. eventually got to talk to someone - gave details..

    walked back up to Debenhams a while later to see if the guards were there..

    twas just the "girl" sitting under sleeping bag.. singing to her hearts content - out of it.. no guards - no guy.. doubt the guards arrived at all..

    I dunno.. worst I have seen so far in town



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭notAMember


    I think it’s gone a bit beyond starting now though, eh?

    Lads, it’s years this is going on. Some of us could see this only getting worse week by week. Small things, lack of basics like cleaning, dereliction, no social support and way too few gardai really builds over time to the current mess.

    Take a look back at the start of this thread and the ones predating it. It would be funny if it wasn’t so eyerollingly ridiculous how some posters told sporina and those of us who saw the place was going downhill , that it was only a state of mind, we were aging, or mentally ill somehow to notice this, and nothing was out of the normal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Town is fcuked a complete sh1thole full of junkies and scumbags and shops and bars fleecing you.

    If you do put up with all that there is no where to park also.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭PreCocious


    Nowhere to park other than:

    • Grand Parade Multistorey,
    • Grand Parade Surface Car Park,
    • Merchant's Quay Multistorey
    • Carroll's Quay Multistorey
    • North Main Street Multistorey,
    • City Hall Multistorey,
    • Paul Street Multistorey,
    • St Finbarr's Multistorey

    as well as the Railway Station and the Park & Ride and various on-street spaces.



  • Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    As I said nowhere to park .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Turn on Neil or 96fm and you will thinking the city centre is south central in the 90s, its not great but the reality is its not that bad. I'm living in the centre 15 years I've never really had any hassle, raised kids there. A lot could be done, their is a visible heroin and homeless problem but its not exclusive to Cork.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Ah, don't be gaslighting people 🤣

    What would people who actually live in the city centre know?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Sounds like the boiling frog.

    Or maybe we just have different standards of acceptable.

    Just a bit of ould heroin is it? The odd beheading. No bother, carry on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 573 ✭✭✭rebs23


    The City Centre has deteriorated in terms of Anti Social behavior because the Gardai do not patrol in the way they used to, do not deal with drinking on the street and there are too many facilities to accommodate chronic heroin addicts in the city centre which in turn facilitates drug dealers and others that exploit heroin addicts. This concentration of services in turn creates the atmosphere for some extreme violence and anti social behavior.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,957 ✭✭✭sporina




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,582 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    Sure we have one poster on here for years telling anyone expressing concern for the state of the city that they're overreacting precious petals, yet also recently calling for the Gardai to go in cracking heads at peaceful protests simply because they have a different view to them on a topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Could you quote where a poster called for An Gardaí to go in cracking heads at a peaceful protest?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    Let's look at the positives. We have no active gangland feuds in Cork. There's no need for armed gardai to be patrolling parts of the city 24/7. Of course while Cork may not be as nice as it once was, it's still safer than most other cities imo.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    Which protest is this, because i sure wouldn't consider what's happening to the staff at the library to be a peaceful protest.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



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