New Children's Hospital - A symbol of Ireland's scandalous and shady behavior

No co-location with an adult hospital then, unless you move that too, so how are you saving money again?

Most of the cost is going to be systems, technology and equipment which would be the same no matter what shape the building is 🙄 or where it is.

"Doesn't suit me" does not equate with "wrong location".

Where did I suggest anything to do with CT or ABP in my post ?

But to add now you have brought it up, ABP have had a lot of problems with corruption and steering of certain projects that have recently come to light, so that is not conspiracy theory anymore is it. (Not that I have ever dabbled in CT 😊)

But a rework/redesign could have worked. The present new hospital is taller than what was originally planned for the CH.

Have to disagree with you that the Mater site is more ' unsuitable ' than the St James' one.

Both have massive issues so it was a case of what suited one day in politics.

As for the Metro, no it won't be going there now of course, which is a big shame for everyone on the Northside, 2 major hospitals, a major university , and the country's biggest busiest airport. All without a proper train link to the city.

Yeah, don't know why we all thought it was a good idea at the time.

As mentioned before, the colocation while it makes life easier for some doctors and scientists is not necessary to the functioning of any of the great children's hospitals.

Great Ormond St in London and Alder Hey to name but two, are not colocated and they are iconic.

Colocation with a general hospital does not equal faster better care for children. The bulk of treating doctors should be and mostly are paediatric specialists. As are nurses and other healthcare.

All healthservices for children are not transferable from an adult setting as evidenced by the need for a speciallly designed childrens hospital.

It is mainly to suit those consultants who work across both disciplines and science laboratory staff.

The cost and delay to services for children is totally unacceptable, wherever the hospital ends up.

Its going on for 40 years now.

Well it should have been build on to Tallaght hospital then.

It's built up all around Tallaght hospital as far as I'm aware, is there enough space on site?

Anyway all of this was put through the wringer - years ago - twice.

I'm working on the NCH and you wouldn't **** believe how incomplete the design was/is in places.

Its not. Don't be so precious.

Somebody ie doctors, consultants, or someone else connected with James', politicians etc benefitted from the change over. . Sure didn't someone else imply Bertie was benefitting from the Mater proposal.

And no, I was asking a question because I don't know, as I said in my post, jeez!

I don't know if you know but I am a paeds nurse and worked in more than one of those hospitals so know about them.

The National Hospital for Nervous Diseases is connected to GOSH by an underground tunnel as a lot of the hospitals in the inner city were and they use the same mortuary. Thats it really. Apart from the surgeons being nearby/around the corner in Queen Sq.

There are extensive Underground / transit connections as well as near Euston and Kings Cross /St Pancras

That would have been just as possible with the Mater site attached to the Mater General..

As it is, consultants walk over the road from Temple St to the Mater Private/General every day.

Are you saying that the Mater is less prestigious than St James'?

I would query that.... both have different specialities and are expert in those areas.

But yes that decision was made by another government for reasons that were not made clear.i temember public and medics very divided over the decision.

As I said it is not just ABP, but we don't know why the decision was made, to not only waste all the money in planning for the Mater site and not to go back to redesign , but to start again in a different and just as constrained site, a decision which has delayed the hospital by another 10 years at least, put considerable tax payers money into what appears to be an endless construction pit eith very little accountability

As someone who has worked in the area most of my life I am not happy with anyone who comes back with "its in the best interests of the childten" as an excuse for the way children's health services have been left to limp on for decades, waiting for this hospital to be built.

Thats a sop.

Ultimately it will be better than what is there.

But for the money and the time waiting for it to finally come to fruition, we could have had a hospital faster in a better location.

I never said ABP made their decision on medical criteria ? Why would they ?

The group that looked at the location of the hospital on behalf of the new government ( post crash) after the planning was refused for the Mater because of " skyline " issues , were meant to do that .

However the decision was questionable and caused a major divide . The reasons given for St James' did not stand up to scrutiny and basically it came down to personal choice of those in that working group . It caused an immense row at the time and the Minister of Health of the time had to row in and back the decision of the group . Board members resigned in disgust and there was stacking of new members supportive to one area within the group.

This is the press release about the decision, which shows the Minister who guided it ..

http://ms-test.ptools.net/en/News-Room/News/Spotlights/government-announces-location-of-new-childrens-hospital.html

If you don't know that Minister had to resign a few years later in a stink over some other dodgy dealing . So before you talk about nobody benefiting maybe read up about that particular Minister and what he got up to.

As regards James's ...sorry ....St James's ...you gave the reason of it being an academic centre and linked to a university . I asked you why you think this is not the case with the Mater ?

Also I would say you need to read up about the whole decision making process and award of the hospital to its present location before accusing others of a) conspiracy theory or b) not knowing what they are talking about .

Source: someone who knows what they are talking about.

you’re correct too, unfortunately people just don’t understand that the COSTS of the projects, the way these contractors have to apply contracts and claims is a direct RESULT a of the GOVERNMENTS own adversarial form of CONTRACT.