BYD Dolphin

Dunno why you haven't got any replies, this seems really Intresting.

I can see a lot of people buying these, espically for a 2nd short hop car.

€40,000 by the time it gets to Ireland......

Roughest farmer around here has a great wall steed pick up. He has abused it to a solid height, has 380,000kms on it and it has never missed a beat.

You are not wrong though, it is a serious rough yoke to drive. I wouldn't even wish a spin in it on the mother in law.

looks pretty impressive

I mean, if they have Carplay and will do 200km then they are going to meet an awful lot people's needs

If it's priced well -and crucially offered by a decent dealer net-work then away you go. .

I don't see this being offered here at anywhere close to "~€15k before grants" as the thread title says. I would imagine it will be low to mid 20s by the time it is actually here and the range claims are all on the old NEDC cycle which tends to grossly overinflate these values (and I know WLTP is not perfect but it is closer to real world).

If there car is only being released in China in 2022, then I would guess the earliest we might see it here could be 2023.

I won't hold my breath waiting for it though.... I might lose consciousness!

Interesting to see you get the extra battery capacity for just $82 per kWh. That is cheap.

From €28k after the grant for the 61kWh version, considering the grant is dropping by €1500, that would be a €26.5k car now. That makes it the second cheapest EV for sale in Ireland, after the classy FIAT 500, but that's very small with tiny range. And this is the long range version. LiFePO4 blade battery and all.

The cheaper, shorter range version is coming out next year. Will likely be the cheapest EV for sale here

Some auto giants are absolutely screwed long term. I really can't see all the Japs, French, Koreans, Yanks and some of the Germans surviving

Really? I disagree. I see all four French surviving and the two Koreans surviving. They have all made great strides in the last few years. The Japs yes OK might be a few casualtys there.

As for the German's Opel are going all electric now so should survive and Mercedes no doubt will but BMW might not. BMW are quite small really compared to VW or Toyota. That's the only German casualty I could possibly see.

As for the Yanks if you mean Ford yes I think they are screwed big time in danger of going the way of SAAB and MG. No one to blame but themselves.

I can see a lot of them merging or just going out of business altogether, will be like the semiconductor industry in the near future, Europe and US will just decide they don't want to do it -- too many resources required, and too much effort

It's too easy to make EV's, its not like making modern diesel and petrol emissions, where you really need expertise to make them reliable and being able to pass Euro 6/7 emission regulations and the cost of entry being high, the Chinese couldn't compete there but with EV's you don't need that expertise, college students could make a perfectly fine EV

There are different business models,

Theres the likes of tesla that want to make everything in house , vertical integration,

There'll be those that largely buy in their components , and thats fine too ,some may make their own batteries to someone elses design ,

When mercedes uses a renault engine , or half the cars on the road use the same 1.6 diesel , no one really cares..

But yeah - you wont pay 15 grand extra for the same thing ..

So efficiencies of 10.2 and 11.1 kWh/100km

Fantastic if true, but I'd be suspicious

Electric Viking has been wrong on many things by the way. Don't take him too seriously.

Also, BYD won't be selling 31 kWh cars in Europe, that's ludicrous. It's going to be most likely only 60 kWh (as Atto 3) and maybe maybe the 45 kWh one. But I wouldn't do that if I were them, unless it's seriously cheap.

Different prices here.

If BYD don't go full on undercut / cheap then they won't succeed in the EU market as an unknown and obviously Chinese brand.

It's a bit different than MG, which has some residual awareness, especially in the UK.

As expected - BYD will launch with 60 kWh battery and 45 kWh will come later. After testing the market, I guess and to set the price right.

Few more details on trims & pricing here:

BYD Dolphin - Full Review & Drive - All You Need to Know - YouTube

The prices can't be real. If that's the indeed the case then BYD could be sucessful and rival the MG.

MG4 efficiency sucks and the car has plenty of issues and deficiencies. The BYD Dolphin seems to be a solid car overall. It's a very efficient car from the most experienced EV maker apart from Tesla.

I expected cheaper as an unknown brand and the huge economies of scale they have

Anyone that's driving a brand new MG4, Tesla SR etc are driving a BYD powered car

They are about the only manufacturer in the world that could sell a 60kWh family car for 25k and make a profit

I think the 45kWh Dolphin will be sub 25k when it arrives and they have the next gen blade battery coming next year with 25% more energy density

Ye alright maybe just 2. I was thinking Renault, Peugeot, Citroën and DS but I know Peugeot, Citroen and DS are all part of the same group so yes maybe only 2 Auto companies in France now.

Dongfeng motors owned nearly 16 % of PSA, and now own 3.17 % of stellantis , so not as big a share as i thought

It's not even certain that they are being rolled out yet in Berlin. But they will be. Saves Tesla about $1500 per car too compared with the CATL pack. That is huge.

Doesn't matter how efficient it is, The NEDC range is the NEDC range and NEDC is a rubbish test standard.

I see we now have WLTP range of 370km for the model that seems closest to the 405km NEDC range model.

Still not readily achievable in the real world but better than NEDC at least.

Bigger battery model is 427km WLTP which is a bit disappointing, Tesla Model 3 with the same size CATL LFP battery is 520km.

Still it is cheap, if rather ugly both inside and out IMHO, although not as bad inside as the atto 3 at least so moving in the right direction.