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Theres no money in photography

  • 14-01-2023 2:52am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26


    To be honest theres no money in photography, only 1 in 1000 will make a living from it, the rest of us do it as a hobby, we all take good pics but smart phone apps are making us look novice, unless you know somebody that will hire you all the time you are fecked, I was on this forum years ago shakeyblakey, I had a canon 1dS, two 550ex flash, ste2 remote and all the trimmings, I got 1 decent job a year, if I was lucky, my kit was worth over 8k, 24/70 , 100/400 all professional lens, I did a few weddings, other meaningless jobs.


    If your into photography do it as a hobby, youll lose your mind and your money



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭HorseSea


    Very true, was in a similar position myself, though I only ever intended it as a hobby I did a couple of jobs. Everyone is a photographer these days or at least they think they are. Long gone are the days when you just had to wave a white lens to part the crowd :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 mark blake



    www.boards.ie/discussion/2055247748/panoramic-water#latest


    thats the only photo I made money from, did a few weddings, 1 a year,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭HorseSea


    I did two weddings, only as I couldn't say no, they were good friends. Most stressful thing I ever did. It's not like you can ask them back tomorrow for another go :-) Thankfully both were happy with the results. Never again.

    Do you mind me asking how you made money from the photo. Great photo, just wondering how you commercialised it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 mark blake


    I had it on Getty years ago and a hotel chain bought rights to it, its gone now but still hanging in hotels around the world



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 mark blake


    My other pic of the mound of the hostages in Tara was the most copied photo I ever had, still shows up on web searches with a copyright sign beside it, lol



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 mark blake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 mark blake


    all from years ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 mark blake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 mark blake


    My 1DS clapped up and I now use a 5Dmkii, I dont post my pics online anymore, actually havent used my camera in over a year,must get back to using it, but only for fun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 mark blake


    quote


    to get getty to even look at your photos you had to have a professional camera and kit, L lens, if you had the best photo in the world but taken on an ameture camera they wouldnt even look at it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭HorseSea


    I could be writing your posts, here's my lone expired Flickr account https://www.flickr.com/photos/bluetit/

    and I am on a 5DMkii as well. Also collecting dust since pre pandemic!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    And hasn't been for over a decade now or more. And yet we live in an image rich world and the media are always looking for the right shot. So if you're in the right place at the right time for news journalism, that is one avenue.

    Back in the day, I worked in a commercial studio. The bread & butter work was product shots for advertising features and brochures. Repetitive studio work but paid bills.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    I wouldn't agree that smart phone apps are making us look novice, but it is difficult. I haven't had any paid work since covid. You don't really see studios in towns anymore, the ones offering family portraits. They used to be fairly common.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 mark blake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 mark blake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 mark blake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Smartphones and the general cost of hardware and software have made photography more accessible to many but I would agree, smart phone apps defo don't make professionals look novice.

    My main engagement with professional photographers is at weddings and I have to say you can spot a pros photos a mile away. That said it's a dying profession I would think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 mark blake


    It is, no two ways about it, I used to make money doing weddings, I have all the gear, 800 a day, but one in 365 days, its 0.30 cent a day, or maybe notI cant count, but it will not put a hot meal on your table every day



  • Posts: 693 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    Perhaps your style of photography just doesn't appeal to the masses?

    Do we though as 'photographers' overrate our own photography & I have seen it & been a victim of it!

    I wonder if today photography means a whole lot to many people?

    There is almost saturation coverage of almost every event or disaster to befall us!

    Have we just become accustomed or fixated with the instant image?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 mark blake




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  • Posts: 693 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I've sold a few framed images but not enough to make a living from it but in my mind at least I'm doing ok!

    I am in full time employment but not photography related.

    It is starting though to pay back in part what I have spent over the years on it!

    You can't just sit & wait for it to happen! You have to put yourself out there with your images!


    I have an idea that I'm toying with at the moment but my current work situation

    prevents me from going forward with it but perhaps it's more of a self confidence issue?

    We'll see come the summer what I'll do!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,061 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    There's a living to be made from photography but it's not easy and you're going to be taking photos of things that aren't nice or are hard to photograph. You have to be a confident, a good communicator, clear, articulate and good at making people comfortable in you and your cameras presence. You get the odd nice gig that comes up, one that really suits your style and those shots shine.

    Graphic design qualifications & a decent grasp of video & editing will help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Too many photographers doing weddings. You're better off specialising in funerals. Less competition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,191 ✭✭✭dinneenp


    One of the main challenges is the volume of competition & getting your work found.

    If you have a website, you're a needle in a haystack. And if you have photos on a commercial site (Getty, Fineartamerica etc.) you're a larger needle still in a haystack.

    Then you have to ask, do your photo appeal to the masses. Abstract is my favourite style but it's not for the masses (unless you're already famous). I have some photos on Fine Art America and get the odd sale, some of the hurling ones here and (like someone above) this was licenses through Getty for BT for a few years.

    I've had a few exhibitions in cafes and these would normally get a few sales. It's as much joy in seeing your photos in public & the pride in knowing that someone likes your photo enough to buy it as the money from the sale, which isn't anything big. You could always charge an exorbitant price for photos in an exhibition, this actually makes them more appealing to some.

    I'll do the odd birthday, communion, wedding but these are just for friends or friends of friends.

    All of above is for non-full time photographers. If you want to go fulltime, it's a different discussion and a long slog to get your name known.

    But, to summarize, I agree with the OP & others. You could spend an evening (or two) uploading to some commercial sites, paying special attention to the key words) and approach some cafes but don't expect a big return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,895 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I would have thought with the popularity of Onlyfans that there would be countless creators looking for professional photographers to create content



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,121 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I know one reasonably successful photographer. They spend as much time socializing and networking as they do working. Because it's those long standing social contacts they get work through. They do some work outside of Ireland as well. They've been at it long time. Perhaps it's harder now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    If you were getting one job a year you were making it a hobby. Unless you really gun for it you won't make a dent. Weddings are word of mouth. 1/year isnt enough to keep your skills current (Weddings arent technical photography, lots of practical tidbits in it).


    Still a lot of money in it but today if you've not got a successful instragram to promote yourself you're dead in the water. End of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    You don't need a professional photographer to record you fingering yourself. Any decent smartphone will do the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,191 ✭✭✭dinneenp


    It's a business and the actual taking (and editing) photos is only one part of the business.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Funeral photography is a thing, maybe not so much in Ireland, though (which is surprising, given how much of a social occasion they are here).

    There's plenty of niches for professional photography, finding one and whether they pay well is another matter. There's a charity in the UK that provides remembrance photography services to parents who have suffered the death of a baby before, during or just after birth, where they take family pictures of the parents and the deceased child. It may sound macabre on first hearing it, but this is the only chance that family have to have a photographic memento of the child they lost, so it's a big deal for some. At the other end of the scale, I remember coming across one photographer who specialised in boudoir with a large white python. So women came to her for tasteful shots in their best underwear, and she had the snake that would be used as a prop, and this appealed to a particular clientele (mainly goths, I'd say).

    I'm purely a hobbyist myself (thankfully). I know two people that got into professional studio/event photography. One gave up his office job and ploughed a considerable chunk of savings into a studio in his garage in one of our smaller cities. He lasted about a year before he went back to an office job. I'd say this is the story with most people who give it a go.

    The other set himself up in my town with a rented studio. I thought he was mad, as it's not a big place and there were already at least 3 other established and prominent studios in the town (along, I'm sure with plenary of others I didn't know about - Golden Pages lists 24 photographers in the town at the moment). However, his business has thrived, and he managed to keep paying the rent and make a living even during Covid. So fair play to him, he might well be in the minority, but he's doing something right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭Benmann


    The papers do not want to pay though, not local papers anyway. They ask for photos from people but don't pay.

    Do people who send video to the national papers get paid like this for example? https://www.irishtimes.com/video/crime-law/2022/09/20/garda-car-rammed-in-cherry-orchard-dublin/

    How much would that have paid? Edit I see it says footage posted online, can the papers take it free.

    A friend of mine had a good shot of news item on twitter and a news outlet took it and didn't pay.



  • Posts: 693 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No! Newspapers or any media outlet are very reluctant to pay for any media usage!

    They'll offer you named credit but you get that on any site!

    I had to go after two media outlets for payment after they used images & recordings

    I had made & put up on FB. I wasn't looking for a lot but I did get a small payment!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭Benmann


    How did you get it. I am in a similar situation. They said send invoice I sent but no reply and calls ignored

    edit got paid

    Post edited by Benmann on


  • Posts: 693 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I initially called into the newspaper office looking to speak to the editor & when she rang me

    back I argued my case & to be fair I got a cheque in the post that week!

    I also rang the radio station looking for the lady that reported the local story using my

    photography & sound recording & again argued my case with her!

    Another cheque in the post that week also!

    I'll never put an image on FB again without my name splashed across the front of it!

    FB is just too convienient for news outlets to rummage through for something

    to add to their stories without them having the decency to acknowledging the creator of the works

    or to even consider payment!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭Benmann


    Well done. I had to make a row too and got paid. I told them I would make a poster saying they stole my photo and drive with it on my car and stand outside their office. I agree with you re facebook. I stopped too



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭Benmann


    They'll offer you named credit but you get that on any site!

    Very hard to cash named credit. In book on licensing photos it said a cheque is worth a thousand likes!

    editing to spell 'cheque' properly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭superflyninja


    Oooh feels like years since I posted here.

    Its funny that so many people are taking photos on phones, but I rarely see people out with a camera. When I take mine out (a little m4/3) the looks I get. Its a strange sight now to see a camera in the wild.

    I would have loved to make money from photography but I don't have the social game or time to dedicate. I did a friend's wedding once, The photos came out decent but it was horrifically stressful, never again. I've made a few hundred now from licensing on 500px, but I rarely even upload anymore.

    Posting on Instagram and other social sites is like throwing a cup of water into the Pacific.

    During Covid, I learned how to use Lightroom finally and I have been trying to improve my PP skills. These days, Im fairly busy with the kids so I spend more time watching photogs on Youtube than I do actually going out shooting.



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