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You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the Left - read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 870 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    Ah you're an "ally" so, explains why you've got your back up so much trying to assert that down is up and up is down.


    And I'm not being rude at all, as I said I'm an adult man and I decide what I do and how I act. Nobody is going to tell me. If a man in a dress is fully equivalent to a female in your eyes that's your reality, it's not mine and it never will be.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,523 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    And you’re a “TERF” am I doing this right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 870 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    Ooh edgy, why don't you throw out another hollow soundbite? Maybe a transphobe or some sort of ist?



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,523 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    So this is the reply you would write to yourself. People should call you edgy for the hollow sound bite of trying to turn Ally into a slur?



  • Registered Users Posts: 870 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    How's it a slur if that is what they refer to themselves as? Even official literature refers to being a good "ally".


    If you ask me personally, hearing someone is an ally is the same as hearing someone describe themselves as a male feminist. Best given an eye roll and a wide berth.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭francois


    ...



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,523 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    They didn’t refer to themselves as that in that post? You placed that label on them derisively.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,738 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I'm curious as to the content of this deleted post I was quoted in...

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭friendlyfun


    Its not the left that attempted to murder migrants by burning out there tents. I think its a classic threat of the far right to paint the left as being much more dangerous than it actually is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I trust it more than the 3 newspapers linked to here which didn’t even get the basis of the headline right.

    The students were not called despicable because they wouldn’t refer to their classmate as a cat, even if they wanted to.

    (I’ve actually gone over this time and time again, maybe you missed it the 3 or 4 times I quoted those papers.)

    But for the sake of repeating myself

    The students disagreed, telling the teacher, “if you have a vagina you’re a girl and if you have a penis you’re a boy.”

    The teacher then described their opinions as despicable.

    So, yeah. Until proven otherwise, I will believe the Byline times, because the other newspapers linked here couldn’t even get that story straight. They intentionally misled readers so they could froth at the mouth over a girl thinking she’s a cat and a teacher calling out the other students for not recognising her so.

    Frankly, it smelled like bullsh*t, I’m not surprised if it turns out to be bullsh*t.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I can tell you as someone who has trans and non binary friends that if you constantly referred to them as not their chosen gender or even describing a trans woman as “a man in a dress”, that it would be considered extremely rude.

    Transphobia is passé now. The term is Transmisia, which is a lot more descriptive than being fearful of transgenders.

    What does transmisia look like?

    Transmisia takes many forms. In general, transmisia is any attitude, belief, behavior, or policy that: 

    stigmatizes or harms trans, nonbinary, and gender nonconforming people;

    denies the validity of their identities;

    sees them as less human; and/or

    treats them as less worthy of care and respect. 

    Examples of transmisia include: 

    state laws that prevent transgender or nonbinary people from using the restroom that aligns with their gender identity; 

    federal laws that prevent transgender or nonbinary people from accessing health care or playing sports;

    media that stereotypes transgender people as faking, confused, evil, mentally ill, hypersexual, or bad; 

    repeatedly or intentionally using someone’s wrong name (aka deadnaming) or wrong pronouns or other words (aka misgendering); 

    policies or efforts to deny transgender and nonbinary people’s access to medical care, including gender-affirming treatments;

    trying to compliment a transgender or nonbinary person by insulting transgender people, such as by telling them that they “don’t look trans”;

    hurting someone emotionally or physically because of their transgender or nonbinary identity through bullying, abuse, or violence — IRL or online;

    outing a trans or nonbinary person; 

    refusing to sit with, talk to, or work with someone because they're transgender or nonbinary; and 

    use of derogatory language, including slurs. 


    someone who would tick those boxes above would be a transmisiac, like yourself.

    You learn something new every day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,523 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Transphobia is passé now. The term is Transmisia, which is a lot more descriptive than being fearful of transgenders.

    That's interesting, and admittedly refreshing because lots of people in the debate are not "fearful" of Trans people, but they have a lot of strong opinions about how they should exist.

    "From Ancient Greek μῖσος (mîsos, “hatred”) or μῑσέω (mīséō, “to hate”) (+ -ia); attested since at least the 1950s. Devised as an alternative to the suffix -phobia, which etymologically (and clinically) denotes fear, though it is also widely used in English to denote hatred. Compare -misic (hating something), as in homomisic." - Wiktionary



  • Registered Users Posts: 870 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    Lol more makey uppey words that mean **** all. Here's a more appropriate one, Trans-apathetic. I don't hate trans people (which is what your made up word implies), I'm not scared of trans people (so it's not a phobia), I simply don't care in the slightest about playing along with it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,523 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    That's a defacto lie given your presence on the thread.

    I'm Fianna Fail and Sinn Fein apathetic. I don't engage in threads where users engage in partisan hackery of the Irish political establishment. That's apathy in action. Coming in here and trying to pick fights with other users, calling them "Ally" in air quotes with derision, or "edgy" etc. doesn't scream apathy in the slightest, much less demonstrating a lack of interest, feeling, or emotion about the topic.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    (Pssst… all words were made up once)

    as Overheal has pointed out, you’re not apathetic. You actively dislike trans people or you wouldn’t be putting them down by describing them as “a man in a dress”.

    Why can’t you own up to that?



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,738 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    So you're saying you trust your own biases more than other peoples?

    Fair enough, but the Byline Times doesn't provide anything approaching evidence to support the claims they've made in that linked article.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 870 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    Well if you categorise disinterest as dislike I can't help you there, I've made my point clear. To me they are a man in a dress - there's nothing offensive about that, it's a fact as far I'm concerned (as already stated I'm not playing along with it so why would I call them anything else?).


    You seem to think that anyone refusing to acknowledge them is an act of hatred or dislike but it's not. Believe it or not some of us have adult lives, adult pressures and adult stuff to deal with,and nodding along or pretending that something is what it isn't is not even in the list of things to be concerned about. I'll play along with my daughter pretending she is a princess when Frozen is on, a male stranger demanding I refer to them as a woman is not even remotely a runner.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Would you call a gay person a person that thinks they are attracted to a person of the same sex? And not all trans are men or in dresses. You could at least acknowledge that there may be some complexity to the situation.

    Interesting to see if the student in the cat situation gets suspended. Had the case below where the teacher was fired but the student still got suspended for covertly recording the teacher. Also probably for releasing on the internet

    https://news.sky.com/story/high-school-student-suspended-after-recording-teacher-using-racial-slur-12882610



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I’m saying I cannot trust 3 newspapers that misled their readers through their use of headlines.

    So the question is, do you trust the 3 organisations that have conclusively misled their audience, or do you trust the organisation that just says, “trust us”.

    I actually choose neither, but I’m going to give the benefit of the doubt to the organisation that hasn’t been proven that they misled their audience in the first place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    You’re perfectly clear. Your a transmisiac. You should just own it.

    I never get why racists, homophobes, xenophobes, and now transmisiacs just don’t own up to it and own the label? Why pretend to be something you’re not? It doesn’t matter to you whether it’s seen as a “good thing” or a “bad thing” anyway.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,523 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    do you trust other peoples biases more than your own?



  • Registered Users Posts: 870 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    Whatever you want to label me go ahead, I have my values and I'll stand by them till the grave. I don't particularly give a **** what someone who throws around "phobes" or "ists" thinks of me, it's tired old cliched soundbites at this stage when you've nothing else to say.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Perhaps everyone is being honest in their views, and not doing for hypothetical kudos or virtue signaling. I dont get why people think those with opposing views are just faking it. Its like religious people who claim there are no real atheists out there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,738 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    If you’re willing to give a partisan outlet the benefit of the doubt when they have provided no evidence for what they're claiming and then proceed to attempt to take the moral high ground on that basis all you're doing is highlighting your own personal bias.

    You say three publications weren't honest in how they reported the story yet you're rowing in behind an outlet that is dyed in the wool pro trans lobby in their reporting who have made a statement with absolutely zero evidence to support it and you appropriated that as the virtuous choice between the two in terms of the veracity of the arguments being made.

    The question isn't do I trust any organisation, that's a question you're setting and answering in your above post when you supported the pro trans lobby outlet that said something you would broadly agree with so you therefore anointed that outlet as the more trustworthy of those listed.

    Like I said, all this does is speak to your own bias, as your initial response to that article being posted showed...

    An almost gleeful response to an article that confirmed in your mind the malfeasance of the outlets that you disagreed with. An article who's central premise the author refused to substantiate in any way whatsoever.

    So you'll excuse me if I don't just take their or your word for it.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    No problemo.

    That you believe the word of 3 newspapers that misrepresented the facts in the same story they published is your issue, not mine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 870 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    There is literally a recording of what happened which completely refutes your article 😂 Believe what you want though brave and stunning social warrior 🙄

    The recording begins with the teacher asking one of the pupils: 'How dare you? You just really upset someone, saying things like [you] should be in an asylum.'

    One of the girls responds: 'I didn't say that, I just said if they want to identify as a cow or something, then they are genuinely unwell, and they're crazy.'



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,738 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Here's a question for you and the people thanking that post; Where exactly did I say I believed anything said in any newspaper?

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,425 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The political violence experienced in this country in my lifetime has been almost exclusively left wing. From the shootings and bombings of those seeking to establish a socialist republic to the hammer attack last year on a political meeting.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    That is like calling our civil war a war between two left wing groups. The violence up north was not to create a communist state it was religious and nationalist based conflict.



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