Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

Exactly. It is a team effort albeit a constrained one. Big up people, causes, issues etc. Give them the royal seal of approval and wider profile. That is the gig and there is a team behind them all. Any bullying of such staff would have consequences. I can only imagine the ideas and notions brought about by the superstars and how it created a toxic environment when the word no had to be mentioned numerous times. No you can't accept gifts. No you can't speak about topic x, y or z, no you can't personally get $500k a year for shaking hands, cutting ribbons etc. It was stifling, constraining but it is what it is and they left be that either voluntarily or forced to do so because it could never work. Interesting to see Trevor Phillips call out their victim playing as well. They had the chance to make a difference, to work with such staff to be iconic but they are where they are now circling the drain in sink or swim America because they wanted to aggrandise themselves instead.

"They could have been a beacon of discovery and reconciliation. Not just to Britain, but the whole world. Instead, they completely squandered a golden opportunity to show everyone what this country is really like in matters of race — a country where no one disturbs themselves about a marriage across the lines of race and ethnicity. But they constructed this completely ridiculous and unpleasant story about how maltreated they were — which, frankly, no one believes. No one cared about Meghan’s race. They could have made things different for millions of people and they chose not to. That’s unforgivable. In my book, that’s a sin."

They could have gone away with dignity and returned if it all bombed but they decided to burn any bridges back to that and are looking at limbo with the likes of Spotify cutting ties.

I think her point is (and I would agree with it), is that they are not allowed move on because the only interest the general public have in the royal family is gossip about the family. And that is how the tabloids make their living - gossip.

As far as I can recall, they did say that they had send a 30 page submission to the ''investigation'' and they didn't get a replyl

In that article it said they were saddened by the failure of the palace to share the findings. Always thought the timing of the complaint was unusual. Just 2 days before the Oprah interview!

Why have they not sued Valentine Low? Low would say that he was told by someone in the Palace and wouldn't say who it was. Palace says its invesetigating, investigates and then does nothing. Two of Meghan's PA's left. One was fired for getting and keeping 'gifts' she got using Meghan's name. The other one wasn't a PA, her previous job was nannying for Robbie Williams kids and had no PA experience. She is gone back to nannying kids again. Meghan's wasn't the one who fired them by the way.

They actually did go away quietly. But the tabloids would not leave them alone. They had left the UK 15 months when they did the Oprah interview. Covid lockdowns started around March 2020 when Harry & Meghan had to get out of their house in Vancouver because their security was pulled and they had paps all over the place.

They were just not left alone.

They had left quietly when the paps were flying drones over Tyler Perry's house where they staying and where they had to build a fence around the house.

Do you honestly think that it is ok for the paps require then to do that?

Well, you hardly think The Times/Mail/Express/Sun are going to publish anything like that. LOL.

Of course Low is going to protect his source. LOL. Camilla LOL.

You seem to think it is ok to make up stuff to defend yourself. LOL. I'm not surprised that they did that. Totally immoral how they go about things and some people think it is ok. LOL.

Camilla is Lows source? My god! There I was thinking it was the reverse vampires.

The royal family did her a favour by not releasing the bullying report imo. Why has Meghan not demanded it be released if it the claims were unfounded? Why have they not sued anyone over the allegations when we know they love to do that?

The RF (William) did themselves a favour. According to Valentine Lowe:

Seemingly, William's excuse was to protect the alleged bullied! Meghan was not allowed defend herself.

William is the bully in that organisation. Remember, Meghan had to tell him to take his finger out of her face.

From the Gospel according to Harry, presumably? It always amuses me that both H & M refer to "my truth". I don't think I have ever heard them use the well known expression, "The Truth". No doubt someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

From what they have said, they don't look at social media. Most of the stuff, they don't respond to as well in the press. The tabloids have a way of avoiding getting involved in legal action by quoting someone else. For example, the 17 lies that H&M apparently told in that Oprah interview was started by Piers Morgan in an interview on Fox News. (It started out initially as 17 lies and unproveable and ended up as 17 lies!) One of his claims that was a lie is certainly not true - about the Royals talking to the press - there are photos of Camilla at lunch with Morgan and Clarkson. An unprovable which is now described as a lie is Meghan claiming to have been suicidal. That is unprovable, not a lie.

Interesting that you claim they don't publicise some of the more nutcase stuff, I've seen some so called 'royal experts' retweeting some of this stuff. By chance, a tweet appeared on my time line where the tweeter was congratulating Meghan's Mole (a notorious hate account) for getting her story about the Dior deal being picked up by the New York Post which is the article that was being quoted by all the British tabloids. The story about the Dior contract was made up by a notorious troll and now everyone believes it!

Pointless taking any of these accounts seriously. They have nothing to gain from doing so. Meghan's Mole was banned from twitter (and I think YouTube), but Elon let it back. Free speech you know!

The way it works in the UK, the tabloids pick the PM/Government. Without the support of the tabloids, you haven't a hope of being in power in the UK.

You refer to them and looking for money. How are they meant to live if they are cut off by his family? Please explain that one to me. What are they meant to do to support themselves?

As an aside about earning money and Harry being criticised for touting for voiceover work for Meghan from the CEO of Disney which the newspapers ran with. It was a joke. Several months previous to this, Meghan had done the voiceover for a movie about a herd of elephants for Disney. The payment she received was donated to the Elephant Charity! The joke was on the tabloids!

How could they support themselves? Seriously?

Let me do a back of the envelope assessment. I'll assume he had £30 million in "money my Mum left me". Worth that much after years of investment/reinvestment since her death. Add in a couple more million from the Queen Mum. You said Meghan had $5 million. Charles gave him £2 million when they left. Let's say this is $40 million to play with/live off.

You buy a gaff in a private gated community with 24/7 security. $2 million we'll say. Can even mortgage that if necessary. Keep $8 million in the bank for expenses and invest $30 million in boring/conservative but predictably profitable blue chips (Coke, J&J etc.). Even at a 3% dividend that is approaching a million dollars a year for doing absolutely nothing. Let's not touch that 30 million and use the dividend money to pay for a live in bodyguard and a full time nanny.

They still have 8 million cash to play with. Phil dies and another couple of million comes on the books in inheritance. They get bored and have the clout to secure a $20 million deal with Spotify and Meghan actually works at it and delivers regular content organically building a following. She starts up The Tig again and becomes an Insta influencer. The duchess/royal angle obviously giving a competitive advantage. Meanwhile Harry studies for a qualification to become a therapist. He has a plan to forge a media career as a celebrity therapist but feels the need to actually have the actual qualifications to be legit and not a show pony like at Better Up. His trauma and therapy over Diana is a unique selling point. Keeps them busy.

The Queen dies and we'll allow for $5 million in inheritance. Their 30 million still pumps out dividends and in time Charles snuffs it and the inheritance adds $50 million along with valuable properties to their portfolio. Set for life.

It's not Oprah/Perry levels of wealth but they'd have been more than able to support themselves given what they already had to hand as well as what would be coming via inheritances (plural).

Some will, of course, pooh-pooh this article, which is contemporaneous with the Oprah “interview”, but for me it pretty well sums up that event, albeit has a Canadian view, and the likely outcomes

And as far as H&M’s future income/expenditure is concerned, their industrial sized sense of entitlement is preventing them from actually earning money. Nobody owes them a series of hand outs. The huge majority of people have to work in order to provide for their own needs.

Harry thought Putin and trump would sit and discuss their childhood traumas for a podcast, and the pope would talk about "religion". Perhaps this is the zoom call that bill Simmons was referring to? How out of touch with reality can one person be?

You’re trying to have it both ways, or maybe even three

Concern is their word. Did someone ask a question which they took as a concern? And, of course, as Harry belatedly pointed out, they didn’t use the word racist. That was the British Press. And he managed to say that with a straight face!

H&M continually re-cast history to suit the situation on the day.

No, it said he wanted to interview Putin, trump and mark Zuckerberg specifically, and about their childhoods. Bizarre stuff altogether