Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

More pertinent question is will they stay in jail with him?

What part of that blog did you find interesting

I think Trump got an indicator at the NYC hearing of how popular he is amongst the law enforcement agencies when the cop let the door slap back against him in the court building. If that can be seen as a form of popularity poll indicator, after the Capitol Hill debacle, for him, I reckon he'd be a fool not to include that amongst his considerations as others in his party are plainly not well-wishers when it come to the end result in votes for him, as against their future political careers.

RDS is most likely to be leading the anti-Trump posse in Florida. I see RDS former Florida law firm is reputedly amongst his financial supporters. I found it interesting on how hard Trump was finding it to get a locally licensed lawyer whatever about his reputation of not stumping up the fees for services provided.

The media were only dying for something to happen at these court appearances. I don't get the impression this is exciting Americans as much as the media wants to portray. It looked like a few lunatics attracted because the cameras were there. They're attracted to the commotion which the American media is happy to create.

CNN's profits and ratings have fallen since Trump left office. They seem keen on getting him back in.

While of course media sells on excitement, given Trumps' previous it is more than warranted from media outlets to expect something to happen.

I think what is catching people out is the lack of anything happening. Despite all the tough talk from Trump, and the likes of Kari Lake, people really don't seem that worked up.

Trump seems to have lost his most valuable asset, that of being something people care about.

Even look at the lack of his family around him. Melania missing again yesterday. I previously mentioned that Ivanka has completely removed herself, the same with Jared. Trump is now just on his own, devoid of any close support. And I would think that the same level of apathy is amongst the general populace. Trump was beaten, he is nothing more than a footnote in history. Voters seem to move on very quickly from losers, they are quickly replaced.

Even if they did, I doubt if they would touch Trump with a bargepole. The extent of Trump's legal experience is that of a defendant, unlike RDS who is a Florida lawyer and also has the advantage of not being a "blow-in" in Miami.

Tongue-in-cheek, it might be correct to think that he has personal traits alongside that of optimism and advisers have taken advantage of him to pursue their own personal/political agendas. As for impeachment, that would have to begin ASAP when both the House and the Senate sit, with the charges paperwork done in advance of his swearing-in as president [should he succeed in winning the GOP nomination race] and then the national election to the presidency again. Complaints about such actions should be met by referring to his statements of appointing a special prosecutor to investigate the Bidens on being re-elected.

The High Crimes and Misdemeanours clause on charges sound like it might cover his holding on to classified documents without legal authority when not the serving president, denying he had them illegally on the basis that he had the right as a former president and making conflicting statements on whether he had declassified the said documents or not, while trying to frustrate the National Archives and Records Administration lawful efforts to gain possession of the classified documents, including allegedly trying to get his own lawyers to swear false affidavits that he has handed over ALL of the documents when he knew that his statements were lies.

One definition of High Crimes and Misdemeanours is as follows: High crimes and misdemeanors is a phrase found in the U.S. Constitution that refers to an act not against either property or persons, but against the sovereignty of the government1. It is coupled with treason and bribery, all three being acts taken against the government1. The term had a broad meaning in English practice and in the American understanding, confiding to the two houses of the national legislature a sweeping range of power to punish what those political bodies determined to be misconduct or abuse of power by executive and judicial officers of a wide variety of types2 The phrase also appears in state laws and constitutions as a basis for disqualification from holding office3. The 37 charges brought against him in federal court are all felonies. Felonies are understood to be high crimes. If he were to get off in federal court on those charges, that will not prevent Congress from trying him there as a guilty resolution would be civil disqualification from office and not federal imprisonment.

Another thing which might have an effect on the national election result is RDS anti--LGBT activities in Florida when it comes to taking a swipe at anyone seen as pursuing such activities for personal political gain. If Trump copies RDS cue aiming to divert votes from RDS, he could be "dumped on" by angry voters.

Well its not like there are examples from the past, even the not so different past of different dangerous regimes demanding the same; They are just playing catch up.

After the disaster of an interview on fox news, I see that Brit Hume who has been a staunch defender of most things GOP, said that trumps defences about the documents “border on the incoherent”, which is another sign that not everyone is going to play ball this time around.

Looking at it in real time terms, Trump could have had the same staffers who filled the boxes in the White House empty his clothes and other personal items from the boxes at Mar-A-Lago leaving only the documents in the boxes. He just ignored the requests for the return of the documents from his "I'm still the boss" attitude. Ditto for the attempts of his lawyers to keep him safe from prosecution.

He's responsible for all he does so one must hope, for the sake of the staff, that there was no real dirty laundry in the boxes.

The other way to look at it is he honestly thought he was gonna be allowed stay president somehow and rushed packing up at the last minute so he really did just throw random stuff into those boxes along with the classified docs.

Exactly, this is where all this nonsense about golf shoes and POTUS ability to declassify runs out.

You can accept that in the haste to pack up, and for Trump the shock of reality, things were taken that shouldn't have been.

But he actively attempt to not only keep them but lied about it. He had plenty of opportunity, like Biden and Pence, to fess up cooperate and return the documents but he chose not to.

To what end? Certainly on what he said about Milly it appears he wanted to have as compromate, something to threaten others with in the future.

For the majority I would think it was mostly just to boast. The ultimate 'money can't buy' items which he could show off to his adoring friends.

Partly I think it was simply because he really does believe he should still be POTUS and therefore he can continue to act as POTUS.

But it all seems that legally he is screwed. And Nauta will take the fall for him. Nauta lied to the FBI about his part in handling the docs and if I was him I would be very worried about Trump throwing me under the bus. There is no doubt Trump will try to claim it was all Nautas fault.

Now they have been served the full details of evidence, including those that provided evidence to the prosecution, the reality that this is way more than just a DOJ witch hunt is clear.

If I'm Nauta, I'm looking for a deal.

It looks like this week may not be one Trump will like living through.

The USSC has ruled in favour of the North Carolina Supreme Court decision to overturn the result of that state's 2022 election. The case presented to the USSC was that the US constitution clause on independent state legislature meant no court could alter any decision of the state legislature in respect of election boundaries, including federal elections. The Chief Justice, along with five other USSC justices, decided that The Constitution “does not exempt state legislatures from the ordinary constraints imposed by state law.” The three other justices, Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel A. Alito Jr. and Neil M. Gorsuch dissented. Trump apparently liked the legal theory that state legislature decisions were outside the remit of the courts due to his "understanding" of the constitutional clause.

The other item is apparently a recording [which I have not heard or seen a transcript of] CNN obtained and broadcast of Trump discussing a classified document he had possession of while mentioning that he was aware that the document had not been declassified by him. I do not know if this a new and different recording of Trump discussing a classified document different to the ones mentioned in the US media least week. If it is, then presumably his former AG, Mr Barr, will have had his legal opinion of Trumps position in respect to the charges filed against him [Trump] validated.